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The Mitchell Marner Contract Watch Thread

Matthews is at least 2-3 million dollars more valuable than Marner. This is just facts, plain and simple.
 
Preston said:
that would be a complete mother fucking disaster.
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Nah, it just means Muzzin instead of Barrie. Sub optimal no doubt, but most of the league is somewhere around the cap limit, it will hurt everyone and we've got everyone important signed over that period.
 
I mean yeah, Marner is being paid like a rocket richard contending center. He's not even a 30 goal scorer. He plays the wing. And he's being paid like a near generational talent. Let's just accept it. He's grossly overpaid. Grossly.
 
MindzEye said:
Nah, it just means Muzzin instead of Barrie. Sub optimal no doubt, but most of the league is somewhere around the cap limit, it will hurt everyone and we've got everyone important signed over that period.
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Thing is, that's banking on Muzzin's desire to move back to California being untrue. No guarantee they can keep either player. It's an issue. And frankly, that extra undeserved 2 million that Marner sucked out of the Leafs would be really fucking useful.
 
Who is paying for him though? There's only 3 Cali teams. 1 has cap issues of their own and a ton of money spent on the blueline. Another is poor with a full blueline, and other is the Kings. Does he really want to leave Toronto mid contention to go rebuild for the rest of his career? Can move back to LA after finishing a 2-3 year extension and play out the clock in the sunshine, hopefully with another cup ring.
 
MindzEye said:
Who is paying for him though? There's only 3 Cali teams. 1 has cap issues of their own and a ton of money spent on the blueline. Another is poor with a full blueline, and other is the Kings. Does he really want to leave Toronto mid contention to go rebuild for the rest of his career? Can move back to LA after finishing a 2-3 year extension and play out the clock in the sunshine, hopefully with another cup ring.
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Don't argue with me. Call up Jakie Muzz himself.

I'm not all that worried overall. I know Dubas will do some magician shit as usual. It'll just be hard as fuck.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I love Willy as much as anyone, but he's not the same caliber player as Marner. Unless things dramatically change this year, he's not on the same level. And I don't think trading Marner is something that would be done with a "seeya" level of analysis. He's an amazing player, one of the best in the league, and a Toronto kid who has a strong following. It'd be incredibly difficult to win a Marner trade, and the blowback of the deal going south would almost certainly end the tenure of the GM that traded him. I think those of you with the Marner hate-on should learn to let it go because he's not going anywhere anytime soon.
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Nowhere in my post did I say they were the "same calibre" of player. The word I used was "similar".

In that, they're definitely not the same calibre of player (I think Marner is, and will remain the better player, FWIW), but I think the gap between the two is a lot closer to what we saw in their first two seasons than what we saw last season.

You're also mistaking an objective analysis of the situation for "hate". I don't have a "hate-on" for Mitch (mild disappointment & disillusionment is, at worst, what I feel towards Mitch right now). And now that he's signed I'm not sitting around hoping or expecting he'll be traded.

I think it's exceedingly unlikely any of our "Big-4 forwards" will be traded during the life of their current contracts. But in the unlikely event it does happen, Mitch has made himself the likeliest candidate, for the reasons I've mentioned.
 
Next offseason will be way easier than this offseason. He had to dump Marleau and Zaitsev's contracts, sign Marner, Kappy and Johnsson and still managed to add a top pair dman like Barrie with no cap space. Had to acquire David fucking Clarkson just so they could have a $100 mill payroll.

$15+ mill in cap space with one dman and some depth to sign is a cakewalk in comparison. Especially considering Bracco, Sandin and Lilly are highly talented kids on ELCs that will likely be up.

What he did this offseason is actually nuts. Especially if you count the Muzzin deadline deal.
 
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Maybe it's been discussed already, but I think a lot of NHL teams would have offer sheeted Marner under the $10,568,589 threshold (and probably did). So call it an overpayment if you want, but he was given $10,893,000/6years. By my math, that's a $324,411 difference.

No sane GM/fan would have let Marner sign elsewhere for 2x1sts, 2nd and 3rd as compenation.

Fact is, the number started at $10.5 - and should be the case for any of the other high-end RFAs out there.
 
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I think we'll find out more about whatever gap there is between them this year. Matthews could really break out this season and it sounds like Willy will be along for the ride.
 
I expect Willy to shut alot of people up this year. If he doesn't, I'll be extremely disappointed. Either way, this is a big year for him I think. We probably find out if he has that extra gear we've all been waiting for or if he settles in as a 60-65ish point guy.

I think he breaks 80. Alot will depend if he ends up on PP1 though.
 
Ya maybe. He's always scored some absolute top shelf beauties where his shot looks lethal. But its never translated into a lot of goals. Takes to long to load it up maybe? He misses the net alot as well.

I also think he pulls the turn back move on the rush to look for team mates too often. He's great at it, but every once and a while you have to attack the slot.

He scored at a 35 goal pace in the AHL...I have no idea how that translates, but its always seemed like he's underachieved in goals in the show. Hopefully things turn around this year. Matthews took a big step up in play making last year as well.
 
Saw an analysis of his shot last year (probably on the Athletic) and it pointed to the quickness of his release.
 
if Matthews keeps getting 50/80 and Marner is getting 25-30/90-100 it won't be so bad, though nothing is going to take the cap-sting away.

It's the next contract I think, cause I can see Matthews cementing himself as one of the best so wtf will Marner's dad do next go around?

Funny, I think we keep Matthews and say goodbye to hometown boy.
 
MindzEye said:
Who said anything about trading him so you can fill up the team with expensive depth? I'm talking about trading him when a similarly talented player on a more friendly deal comes available. Marner is a great trade chip to acquire that.
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When mcdavid decides he has had enough of the oilers.
The leafs can offer marner, sandin, 1st and a 2nd ....... nice package.
 
if Matthews keeps getting 50/80
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Fwiw

Yr 1: 40/69
Yr 2: 45/83
Yr 3: 45/88

Both yrs 2 & 3 had him return fairly slowly from longish injury lay offs. If he stays healthy, he probably challenges 50/95. He's also tended to be dragging around at least one (often two) plug or corpse. This year is looks like that shit is finally done and he gets Johnny/Willy as his linemates. Big upgrade from starting the season with Marleau/Ennis last year, and Hyman being chained to him the year before.
 
MindzEye said:
Fwiw

Yr 1: 40/69
Yr 2: 45/83
Yr 3: 45/88

Both yrs 2 & 3 had him return fairly slowly from longish injury lay offs. If he stays healthy, he probably challenges 50/95. He's also tended to be dragging around at least one (often two) plug or corpse. This year is looks like that shit is finally done and he gets Johnny/Willy as his linemates. Big upgrade from starting the season with Marleau/Ennis last year, and Hyman being chained to him the year before.
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I'd be so fascinated to see what a Matthews regular season looks like without one of those injury layoffs.

In each of the past two years, he's started the season looking like he's going to score 90 goals & 150 points, only to get knocked out for an entire month and then spend the rest of the season trying to get back up to speed.
 
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