Gauthier new GM, Gainey stays on as Adviser - Page 18

XPOFAN · 02-08-2010, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCountofMonteCristo

I'm not happy but gnashing our teeth is not going to solve anything.

The thought of not going to the games is silly and even Wehave who talks a good game always shows up when the Canadiens are here.

This isn't the old days, these are new fans who want to go to just to go.

We can rip on each other for not having high enough expectations but in the end, nothing we say or do will have an effect on the on ice product. We go because we love the team, no matter who is in the jersey, he is one of us. I hated 51 with a passion but clapped as loudly as anyone when that little bastard scored a rare goal.

It is the way it is. If not winning causes some such anger and anxiety, maybe it is time to give up being a fan. I would totally understand that decision. Watching the team is supposed to be a way to forget every day problems, if the losing is causing problems, then it is time not to follow anymore.

Maybe we just need to accept what it is and be happy with it.

Really? So why did you give up on the Expos...a team you presumably loved.

Lotusland · 02-08-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chiggins

Yeah. What is a GM supposed to say: "We really like Pleks but we're afraid he's going to demand 85 point guy money. We don't think he's worth it. We see him as 70 pt guy who'll have trouble in the playoffs so I'm not sure if we can sign him. If we start to lose a bunch of games, we might trade him. Anything is possible at this point"

"And man we're so close to trading one of our goalies. I can't say which one (smiles) but we just need our trading partner to ante up just a little bit"

I liked the fact that PG at least stated he has had talks with Pleks agent. At least he hasn't left it to the last day before the trade deadline.

I also wonder if Molson has sent specific orders to PG about making the playoffs for the revenue aspect even if we are not likely to go far?

CH1 · 02-08-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by XPOFAN

Really? So why did you give up on the Expos...a team you presumably loved.

I can't believe you have to ask.

He gave up due to Claude Brochu and the bush league consortium.

The Count likes to hang with big money crowd not penny pinchers.

Habhead · 02-08-2010, 11:41 PM

Disappointed, the Habs missed a great chance to try to get this thing pointed in the right direction. It's just a rehash, more of the same spinning of the wheels. I guess as long as the money's coming in it's better to stay with the devil you know.

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the Leafs get to the cup finals before the Habs.

habsss · 02-08-2010, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chiggins

Yeah. What is a GM supposed to say: "We really like Pleks but we're afraid he's going to demand 85 point guy money. We don't think he's worth it. We see him as 70 pt guy who'll have trouble in the playoffs so I'm not sure if we can sign him. If we start to lose a bunch of games, we might trade him. Anything is possible at this point"

"And man we're so close to trading one of our goalies. I can't say which one (smiles) but we just need our trading partner to ante up just a little bit"

"We think both Carey and Jaroslav are fantastic young goalies and we're fortunate to have them on our team (b.s. statement to mitigate the effect), but we're going to decide on what is the best for this franchise in the coming week and then anything might happen (non-committal statement that leaves all possibilities open)."

He could have said that, or he could have said anything else without showing commitment.... yet he didn't. To me, what he said was a very forthcoming statement.

CH1 · 02-08-2010, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by habsss

"We think both Carey and Jaroslav are fantastic young goalies and we're fortunate to have them on our team (b.s. statement to mitigate the effect), but we're going to decide on what is the best for this franchise in the coming week and then anything might happen (non-committal statement that leaves all possibilities open)."

You may be right but the part that leaves all possibilities open is an invitation for the press to ask a followup like: "So, are you saying one will be traded before the coming week" or "what factors are you looking at to help you make your decision"

My point is why deal with any of it if you don't have to. Be as vague as possible.

TheCountofMonteCristo · 02-08-2010, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by XPOFAN

Really? So why did you give up on the Expos...a team you presumably loved.

I was with the Xpires until around May 2000. Despite all the losing and my knowing they would choke all the time I was with them. I gave up in 1999 because I thought they were leaving but then Loria, Sivia and Samson gave me hope until they pulled the plug on the stadium and the report came out May 18. I started to hate the team and the way they jacked me forever.

That was when I gave up, the hassle was not worth it.

The Canadiens may be a middling team but they do not jack around with the "we are staying, we are going", "we are being contracted, no we aren't, we will be here next year, no we won't" etc

Lotusland · 02-08-2010, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chiggins

You may be right but the part that leaves all possibilities open is an invitation for the press to ask a followup like: "So, are you saying one will be traded before the coming week" or "what factors are you looking at to help you make your decision"

My point is why deal with any of it if you don't have to. Be as vague as possible.

You mean like Bob Gainey?

Krustchev · 02-08-2010, 11:51 PM

You also drive down their trade value by saying that one will be moved. BTW, one will be moved at the latest during the summer. Halak won't come back to be Price's backup and Price has no interest in being Halak's backup.

TheLeftCoast · 02-08-2010, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by deandebean

McGuire sounded demoralized by the move. I think he was hoping his buddy Geoff would give him the nod.

Clearly, though, Pierre Gauthier has made some ennemies over the years. I recall he was seen as a weasel in some GM circles. Bob Hartley got on his case today. And so did Peeeair.

First major misstep by the Molson Boys. This was a chance to bring in some fresh blood, maybe someone to look at things a little differently and build a Canadiens organization for the new century (rather than continuing to trade on past glories that no longer exist).

Mark my words: with Gauthier at the helm, we're worse off than we've been since the days of Reggie Houle. In 3 years, we'll be discussing his resignation press conference and mourning another season of mediocrity.

habsss · 02-08-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chiggins

You may be right but the part that leaves all possibilities open is an invitation for the press to ask a followup like: "So, are you saying one will be traded before the coming week" or "what factors are you looking at to help you make your decision"

My point is why deal with any of it if you don't have to. Be as vague as possible.

Talking with a press, or with people in general, is an art in a way. I, for one, am not good at it, but I do understand the challenges. Being vague is good if you have no clue what you're doing and all you want is a filler but it's also dangerous because it shows people you have no clue and it also leaves too much room to interpretation.

And they did ask him a follow-up question and he refereed them to the statement he just said.

Krustchev · 02-08-2010, 11:59 PM

No one asked Gainey the really important question: what were those notes we saw him jotting down at games, usually at the ACC, the last few seasons?

Lotusland · 02-09-2010, 12:00 AM

I think a lot of people gave up on the Expos when Dr. Evil yanked down the radio & tv coverage and pulled the plug on the stadium. He's a slime ball but he out maneuvered the yocals and took his minor investment into the Expos into owning the Marlins.

Funny how he takes the revenue sharing funds he gets from MLB to pay off his entire team payroll and staff and allowance for Mini-Me and yet this year when MLB mentioned they were going to investigate what he does with the revenue sharing money he went out the next day and signed a player for big money.

He even played hardball with MLB by threatening to field the lowest payroll team in baseball until MLB helped to strongarm Florida like they did in DC to get the stadium built there.

GGpX · 02-09-2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLeftCoast

First major misstep by the Molson Boys. This was a chance to bring in some fresh blood, maybe someone to look at things a little differently and build a Canadiens organization for the new century (rather than continuing to trade on past glories that no longer exist).

Mark my words: with Gauthier at the helm, we're worse off than we've been since the days of Reggie Houle. In 3 years, we'll be discussing his resignation press conference and mourning another season of mediocrity.

Yup, I agree.

What pisses me off the most about this is that they didn't even bother making real research into finding the best candidate for the job... If they did that and come to the conclusion that PG is the best for the job, then fine. But they're essentially giving the job to someone who had a major role in creating this whole ****ing mess.

****ing a.

TheLeftCoast · 02-09-2010, 12:09 AM

Yup. This is the guy who has been the head of pro scouting and who chose our current head of amateur scouting and our head coach. A lot of the bad trades/drafts/signings that people blame Gainey for can be directly attributed to his successor.

CH1 · 02-09-2010, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GGpX

Yup, I agree.

What pisses me off the most about this is that they didn't even bother making real research into finding the best candidate for the job... If they did that and come to the conclusion that PG is the best for the job, then fine. But they're essentially giving the job to someone who had a major role in creating this whole ****ing mess.

****ing a.

What's worse is they admitted as much, describing the list of experienced GMs that can speak French as rather small...so, in a way, they took some prestige away from Gauthier. You think they would have at least lied to us and said "We looked long and hard at qualified names around the hockey world and we realized we already had the best candidate"

Like I wrote earlier, this is simply a cabinet shuffle in an organization that doesn't mind being run like a quasi government cultural institution. In a way, that's what the Habs have become. They own a monopoly when it comes to big league sports entertainment. That's quite unique for a big North American city.

Lotusland · 02-09-2010, 12:30 AM

I liked it when PG stated that he "likes this team and this coaching staff".

Yeah I know, what is he suppose to say but geez throw us some fricken' hope at least that we will change directions a tad.

I keep having this image in my head of Jacques Martin watching the on-side kick at the Super Bowl this past weekend not comprehending what Coach Payton did on that call. He said "wow" just because the people around him watching the game said it first and he wants to fit it but he doesn't get the call.

bayrider · 02-09-2010, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Krustchev

No one asked Gainey the really important question: what were those notes we saw him jotting down at games, usually at the ACC, the last few seasons?

You know, for having a savage reputation, Montreal reports are a tame and timid bunch when push comes to shove at these PCs.

Lotusland · 02-09-2010, 01:16 AM

Although I think Gainey was intimidating for many.

The media here actually uses their outlet to provoke comments from Gainey half the time.

TheLeftCoast · 02-09-2010, 01:24 AM

No point kicking the man when he's down.