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OT: American Politics

LeafGm

Well-known member
They are definitely the home of the brave. The amount of bravery we've seen from the citizens is impressive.
Government and law enforcement have been less so.

My interpretation of all this is that the cops are scared shitless right now.

They see this outpouring of protest and the looming potential end of the Trump presidency as an existential threat to their jobs, unchecked power, total lack of accountability & massively inflated police budgets.

That’s why they’re going so hard & angrily after peaceful protesters. Because those people are more of a threat to them than the assholes smashing windows or grabbing armfuls of sneakers from looted stores.
 

mbow30

Well-known member
As Aristotle said, “the hallmark of great leadership is hogging all of the praise, and accepting none of the blame.”

tonight we drink to 13.3% unemployment*

*excluding 18-65 year olds who have stopped looking for work, which doesn’t matter to Donald any more
 

Habsy

Wrong Thinker Extraordinaire
Cops and National Guard are between a rock and a hard place. They have to follow orders because it's their jobs and they too have families but know this is like the 60s app over again and change needs to happen. My heart goes out to the good ones among them.
 

Habspatrol

ADMINuteman
Staff member
Cops and National Guard are between a rock and a hard place. They have to follow orders because it's their jobs and they too have families but know this is like the 60s app over again and change needs to happen. My heart goes out to the good ones among them.
I've always been a big fan of cops. Always hated when people called them "pigs" and made disparaging comments. Obviously I've always been aware that there are bad cops but thought that it was a very small percentage. I have always been able to justify excessive force when "criminals" have resisted.

It appears I greatly underestimated the percentage of bad cops. The overwhelming number of videos we're seeing with cops using excessive force and flat out being violent and cruel to citizens.

I still think that the majority of cops are "good" but those good cops need to start holding the bad ones accountable.
 

oscarheyman

Active member
I've always been a big fan of cops. Always hated when people called them "pigs" and made disparaging comments. Obviously I've always been aware that there are bad cops but thought that it was a very small percentage. I have always been able to justify excessive force when "criminals" have resisted.

It appears I greatly underestimated the percentage of bad cops. The overwhelming number of videos we're seeing with cops using excessive force and flat out being violent and cruel to citizens.

I still think that the majority of cops are "good" but those good cops need to start holding the bad ones accountable.
Doesn't help that you get officers who are assigned the job of training raw recruits (like Derek Chauvin with the past history he has). I'd guess most/all of these recruits started out with great intentions/motivations but were 'taught' how to do things by officers like Chauvin.
 

LeafGm

Well-known member
I've always been a big fan of cops. Always hated when people called them "pigs" and made disparaging comments. Obviously I've always been aware that there are bad cops but thought that it was a very small percentage. I have always been able to justify excessive force when "criminals" have resisted.

It appears I greatly underestimated the percentage of bad cops. The overwhelming number of videos we're seeing with cops using excessive force and flat out being violent and cruel to citizens.

I still think that the majority of cops are "good" but those good cops need to start holding the bad ones accountable.

Thing is, if you’re a “good cop” who stands idly by and doesn’t do anything about the “bad cops”, or even worse, you cover for their behaviour, you’re not actually a “good cop”.
 

hockeylover

Well-known member

Heh. He's only gotten 3 miles of new fencing at the border done.
 

Habsy

Wrong Thinker Extraordinaire
Thing is, if you’re a “good cop” who stands idly by and doesn’t do anything about the “bad cops”, or even worse, you cover for their behaviour, you’re not actually a “good cop”.
Same could be said of protesters standing by watching looters. It's not so cut and dry. Good people get put into terrible positions when things are this nuts.
 

Habsy

Wrong Thinker Extraordinaire
Doesn't help that you get officers who are assigned the job of training raw recruits (like Derek Chauvin with the past history he has). I'd guess most/all of these recruits started out with great intentions/motivations but were 'taught' how to do things by officers like Chauvin.
This is different than what I'm talking about. There's no excuse for what happened to Floyd. None. There was no mass gathering or massive protests and riots. It's inexcusable.

I'm referring to the people tasked to manage this insanity. Split second decisions etc. It's tough on them, on both sides.
 

JackBurton

Well-known member
He's scum. I can't believe he's going to get away with bringing Floyd's name up in regards to a 13.3 unemployment rate.
Those stats he's bragging about are people returning to work.
 
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