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BeLeafer

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Hardly. Couple of hundred at most

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I've done worse but only when seriously having my health/life threatened by arsehole driving behaviour.
 

Wayward DP

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They are the worst out there on the road in Toronto. As a 20+ year cyclist riding around Toronto downtown, there were none worse for failing to signal, bopping their nose out from side streets to jump in to traffic, cutting off, etc..
I actually find Audis to be the worst. But BMWs are a very, very close second.
 

BeLeafer

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Audi drivers used to be good before they got all popular. They don't seem bad in my routes though. Same with Volvo -- used to be the best drivers on the road.
 

Wayward DP

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Hardly. Couple of hundred at most

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I've done worse but only when seriously having my health/life threatened by arsehole driving behaviour.
I'm in Halifax now, but when I was in Toronto I bike commuted ~16 km r/t daily, and yeah, take the small victories when you can, cause you know the next 'life flashing before your eyes' moment is never too far away...
 

BeLeafer

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I stopped commuting by bike after a near-death experience with someone flinging their door on me from the passenger side. Guy got all belligerent, 'what are doing riding there?!'
 

mbow30

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I live in an area where I could conveniently bike to the office (if we ever get back) but there’s just zero chance I bike into the city. Roads aren’t designed for it and drivers here just don’t respect cyclists.
 

Wayward DP

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I live in an area where I could conveniently bike to the office (if we ever get back) but there’s just zero chance I bike into the city. Roads aren’t designed for it and drivers here just don’t respect cyclists.
I was fortunate enough to have the vast majority of my commute in painted line 'bike lanes', and even then it was hairy.

Guess I'm still young and stubborn enough to persevere.
 

Wayward DP

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Somehow it seemed safer before the bike lanes. Probably just me getting older.
It's very much a mixed bag. I would wager that there were just fewer cars/people on the road 10 years ago compared to now; 20 years ago compared to 10 years ago, etc. And I also think drivers have gotten worse collectively in the GTA. When I was in high school I used to bike a decent stretch to school, on arterial roads, without really thinking much of it. I would be kinda terrified to do the same route now.

A lot of the 'bike lanes' are also designed fucking horrifically. I'm not usually a fan of painted line lanes because they really only offer you the illusion of protection. I came to appreciate the fact that there was designated space on the road for bikes and not cars, but its utility is certainly limited if a stray lane change can send you flying.

When I commuted in Toronto I had pretty much near daily close calls and near misses. More than once my loud voice saved me from harm.

Out east it's funny. In my experience, the majority of drivers here are patient and understanding. A greater percentage than in Ontario will respect my space. However, of the minority that are assholes, they are often more aggressive than the average Toronto *******. It's like they have to make up for everyone else being okay. So fewer total assholes, but the ones on the road are more dangerous. My anecdotal expert opinion.
 

mbow30

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I think Uber drivers are a huge hazard. Cab drivers are maniacs but most are good (or at least experienced) drivers. Lots of uber drivers come in from the suburbs, don’t know the streets and aren’t accustomed to city driving.
 

BeLeafer

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It's very much a mixed bag. I would wager that there were just fewer cars/people on the road 10 years ago compared to now; 20 years ago compared to 10 years ago, etc. And I also think drivers have gotten worse collectively in the GTA. When I was in high school I used to bike a decent stretch to school, on arterial roads, without really thinking much of it. I would be kinda terrified to do the same route now.

A lot of the 'bike lanes' are also designed fucking horrifically. I'm not usually a fan of painted line lanes because they really only offer you the illusion of protection. I came to appreciate the fact that there was designated space on the road for bikes and not cars, but its utility is certainly limited if a stray lane change can send you flying.

When I commuted in Toronto I had pretty much near daily close calls and near misses. More than once my loud voice saved me from harm.

Out east it's funny. In my experience, the majority of drivers here are patient and understanding. A greater percentage than in Ontario will respect my space. However, of the minority that are assholes, they are often more aggressive than the average Toronto *******. It's like they have to make up for everyone else being okay. So fewer total assholes, but the ones on the road are more dangerous. My anecdotal expert opinion.
There's no question that drivers have gotten worse. The testing to get a license is a joke and there's nearly zero enforcement of the HTA (at least within the city). At least 50% are fundamentally unqualified to drive (just lack the observational capacity). I suspect privatizing testing did wonders.

Yeah, I used to bike from College and Dovercourt up to York U. The only way to do that is to ride up Keele or Jane. That was kinda nuts back then. I'm sure it's uber high risk now.
 

mbow30

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Likes from jcy. A ptbnl post.

ive done more to bring back goodwill to this forum than any numberof bizarro thumb pics axls got on his external porn drive.

Keyed in. Dialed up. Where’s teeds?
 
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