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The 2019-2020 MotherFucking Season Thread

zeke

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3yr split

Couturier 8:09, 100.0gf%, 94.0xgf%
Krejci 18:04, 46.7gf%, 73.0xgf%
McDavid 3:40, 100.0gf%, 68.4xgf%
Culture 13:28, 100.0gf%, 67.6xgf%
Schenn 18:16, 100.0gf%, 68.3xgf%
O'Reilly 19:53, 64.6gf%, 63.6xgf%
Trocheck 15:22, 33.8gf%, 58.5xgf%
Eichel 13:16, 00.0gf%, 57.2xgf%
Stamkos 28:43, 47.5gf%, 55.1xgf%
Kopitar 16:42, 65.5gf%, 54.4xgf%
Point 20:13, 72.8gf%, 53.8xgf%
Bergeron 12:10, 64.9gf%, 53.7xgf%
Aho 10:43, ----gf%, 53.2xgf%
Karlsson 15:43, ----gf%, 48.3xgf%
Kuznetsov 31:01, 46.7gf%, 40.9xgf%
Larkin 30:39, 73.9gf%, 38.4xgf%
Barkov 33:00, 100.0gf%, 38.3xgf%
Beckstrom 9:49, 47.4gf%, 38.3xgf%
Barzal 20:28, 41.1gf%, 36.8xgf%
Domi 21:01, 00.0gf%, 19.1xgf%
Crosby 10:09, 100.0gf%, 17.7xgf%
Monahan 12:22, 100.0gf%, 10.0xgf%
 

leaffan2005

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Not sure why everybody gets their panties in a knot when Matthews (or Nylander for that matter) get criticized for something.

He is an excellent player, nobody has disputed that.
 

zeke

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You are wrong because you are disputing a very simple fact. It's not really relevant how he did in a few shifts against some of the guys you pointed out at the top of your list. Context is everything. The other guys you listed are very relevant to the discussion given he played against them an amount conducive to analysis. And out of those guys, the elite ones have gotten the better of him, and the non-elite ones he has outplayed. Not sure where the confusion is on this.
You realize that you haven't actually presented any facts - just unsubstantiated claims, right?
 

leaffan2005

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You realize that you haven't actually presented any facts - just unsubstantiated claims, right?
Your own "facts" dispute what you say. Unless you think Eric Staal or Mikko Koivu are top centres, he has regularly come up short against the league's best thus far in the season. I don't need to present any new facts, your own numbers show this.
 

leaffan2005

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3yr split

Couturier 8:09, 100.0gf%, 94.0xgf%
Krejci 18:04, 46.7gf%, 73.0xgf%
McDavid 3:40, 100.0gf%, 68.4xgf%
Culture 13:28, 100.0gf%, 67.6xgf%
Schenn 18:16, 100.0gf%, 68.3xgf%
O'Reilly 19:53, 64.6gf%, 63.6xgf%
Trocheck 15:22, 33.8gf%, 58.5xgf%
Eichel 13:16, 00.0gf%, 57.2xgf%
Stamkos 28:43, 47.5gf%, 55.1xgf%
Kopitar 16:42, 65.5gf%, 54.4xgf%
Point 20:13, 72.8gf%, 53.8xgf%
Bergeron 12:10, 64.9gf%, 53.7xgf%
Aho 10:43, ----gf%, 53.2xgf%
Karlsson 15:43, ----gf%, 48.3xgf%
Kuznetsov 31:01, 46.7gf%, 40.9xgf%
Larkin 30:39, 73.9gf%, 38.4xgf%
Barkov 33:00, 100.0gf%, 38.3xgf%
Beckstrom 9:49, 47.4gf%, 38.3xgf%
Barzal 20:28, 41.1gf%, 36.8xgf%
Domi 21:01, 00.0gf%, 19.1xgf%
Crosby 10:09, 100.0gf%, 17.7xgf%
Monahan 12:22, 100.0gf%, 10.0xgf%
These numbers are also interesting and provide further context. It appears he has done better against Bergeron than many of us believe, and has historically done well against Eichel, Kopitar, Point, and Stammer. Barkov and Crosby seem to own his soul thus far.

See? Much better than disputing the facts surrounding this year's numbers. These numbers point to this not being a career issue, but a this year issue. And this year is still in its infancy and this narrative can change quite quickly.
 

MindzEye

Wayward Ditch Pig
McJesus xGF%

Last 2 years vs #1 lines
Barkov 41.4
Stamkos 53.7
Kuznetsov 78.9
Kopitar 52.1
Bergeron 32.5
Crosby 31.0
O'Reilly 38.2
Draisaitl NA
Eichel 37.9
Couture 33.3
Aho 26.3
Karlsson 69.44
Barzal 28.3
Backstrom 67.3
Matthews 43.1

at least he caves in the Caps, eh?
 
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zeke

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Your own "facts" dispute what you say. Unless you think Eric Staal or Mikko Koivu are top centres, he has regularly come up short against the league's best thus far in the season. I don't need to present any new facts, your own numbers show this.
They clearly do not show that.
 

MindzEye

Wayward Ditch Pig
Funny thing is I don't even care about this debate. I say one thing that isn't insanely bullish on Matthews (who, btw, I'm extremely fucking bullish on) and it starts a fucking massacre.
Has nothing to do with it being bullish or bearish, has to do with it's accuracy. It was wrong. I'm not offended, or angry, I'm just correcting your accuracy. Stop being such a snowflake.
 

zeke

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These numbers are also interesting and provide further context. It appears he has done better against Bergeron than many of us believe, and has historically done well against Eichel, Kopitar, Point, and Stammer. Barkov and Crosby seem to own his soul thus far.

See? Much better than disputing the facts surrounding this year's numbers. These numbers point to this not being a career issue, but a this year issue. And this year is still in its infancy and this narrative can change quite quickly.
Again, you literally just guessed that the numbers you want to matter had larger sample size than the ones you didnt want to matter. Flat out guessed.
 

zeke

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Funny thing is I don't even care about this debate. I say one thing that isn't insanely bullish on Matthews (who, btw, I'm extremely fucking bullish on) and it starts a fucking massacre.
Actually, you've repeated your unfounded claim over and over and over again and only now did I finally bother checking the numbers and shockingly they didnt support the claim that you have been repeating over and over and over.
 

Preston

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For the record I think it's pretty likely that his struggles against the true elite has just as much if not more to do with rielly than it has to do with Matthews not quite being a top three player in the NHL.
 

leaffan2005

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Again, you literally just guessed that the numbers you want to matter had larger sample size than the ones you didnt want to matter. Flat out guessed.
And I was right. The guessing came from obviously flawed numbers were it is virtually impossible to have that kind of xGF% outside of very small sample sizes. I said Couturier and his numbers against Stammer and Point were likely flawed given a small number of shifts against these lines. Instead of showing the amount of minutes he has played against them this year, you posted 3 year splits which are obviously more accurate. Not sure what you are on about here.
 

zeke

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And I was right. The guessing came from obviously flawed numbers were it is virtually impossible to have that kind of xGF% outside of very small sample sizes. I said Couturier and his numbers against Stammer and Point were likely flawed given a small number of shifts against these lines. Instead of showing the amount of minutes he has played against them this year, you posted 3 year splits which are obviously more accurate. Not sure what you are on about here.
No see the thing is your guess was wrong, see.
 

leafman101

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So wait, all of the games where he caved in elite lines like Couturier and Point/Kucherov don't count because the sample is too small, but the game he got caved in this year do count?

Vs. Kuznetsov 5:22
Backstrom 1:10
Kopitar 1:52
Eichel 3:51

meanwhile
vs Couturier 3:22
O'Rielly 2:22
Bergeron 10:48
Stamkos 0:43

The bad games a shit sample sizes too.

Frankly the fact that he has played against the best line in hockey more than any other line this year, and posted essentially even results says it all.
 
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