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MindzEye said:
What are the laws regarding having one installed in your own vehicle? Do you just have to make the police aware of it's presence?
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I was going to install it on my truck but since it's not in use as much, I changed my mind. I know some trucks have them in case their drivers get into an accident and I know that people mount them on their bikes when touring. I also have a really small video camera that's always in the car when it's not on the bike.

I don't know about the legality of it. Since I never read/heard anything about it, I assume it's legal. Although I think that if you make someone your "subject" rather then part of the scenery, there are some legal issues.
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
a case just came down from the SCC I believe in that regard where the police tried to get a tape of some wrongdoing thrown out. A lawyer used his cellphone to video what was going on, they said it was two separate people and as a result was inadmissible. court said it was admissible. How that would apply to an individual is not known but it might be ok.
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I broke a guys camera that was making my wife and myself his "subject". I asked him to stop, he didn't. I grabbed his camera, smashed it on the ground, the cop came and he let us go. As we were leaving, the other guy was screaming at the cop that he has a "right to video people in public".

Meh....not with THAT camera......LOL!
 
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JaysCyYoung said:
So Quebec turning into a third-world welfare state benefits their citizens because they simply don't like the governing federalist party? What kind of inane logic is that? It was a totally irresponsible, idiotic comment that shouldn't be surprising coming from the same man that defended honour killings.
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What? You don't like man who like to be pretty?

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If it wasn't for his father, NOBODY would give a sh!t about his opinion.
 
I wonder how that extends to law enforcement though?

Do you have to notify anyone being filmed in writing, like most stores having decals about their use of CCTV?
 
johnunit said:
On the topic of civil rights, the stunt driving laws, etc.


What do people here think of cameras in police cars? Is this done anywhere in Ontario? Is there a reason not to?
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I have zero issue with them, as they can be used to cover both my ass AND the cop.
Interestingly, most don't tell you that you are on camera when you're pulled over, yet will try to tell you to turn yours off if you start recording when he comes to your window.
I had a discussion about this with some members of the local force, and most had mixed feelings about it. The senior officer agreed with me that an average citizen who's recording them can serve only a good purpose. Those recordings help break the "my word vs. yours" type of garbage.
 
blacksheep said:
I have zero issue with them, as they can be used to cover both my ass AND the cop.
Interestingly, most don't tell you that you are on camera when you're pulled over, yet will try to tell you to turn yours off if you start recording when he comes to your window.
I had a discussion about this with some members of the local force, and most had mixed feelings about it. The senior officer agreed with me that an average citizen who's recording them can serve only a good purpose. Those recordings help break the "my word vs. yours" type of garbage.
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Yeah, I was ticketed (beat it) on one of those back in highschool. I pulled out of the highschool parking lot, drove normally up to the stop sign that was about 150M from the parking lot entrance, and was pulled over on the other side of said stop sign for 70 in a 40. A camera would have made it abundantly clear that my 25 year old boat was NOT being pushed anywhere near hard enough to hit 70kmh and then come to a complete stop in the distance between the entrance and the stop sign. Instead, I essentially had to pull the 'hope the cop doesn't show up' routine, and managed to get off on that basis. I was advised by multiple people that even showing that my car was physically incapable of what I was accused of wouldn't work because the assumption would just be that I hadn't actually been leaving the student parking lot at 11:37AM, or that I had blown the stopsign and gotten a break by not being written up for that too.
 
The stereo in my vehicle has a large screen, and I have a backup camera at the rear of the vehicle that can display on it. It also serves as my hands-free device for the cell, since it has Bluetooth. At one ride checkpoint, the officer noticed the large screen, and became immediately suspicious that I was equipped with a now-illegal means of viewing videos while driving. I informed him that it serves as my backup camera view, and turned it on to prove it. There he was, looking at his own cruiser behind my car on the screen.
"Have a nice night," he says. I will. lol
 
Talking about cops and speeding.... earlier today.....

I was on the outside lane and two cars were on my right. Some a'hole pulls within two feet of my bumper and I had to speed to 90 on a 50km zone to get out of the way. Turns out to be an unmarked cop car.

Tailgating, in the rain...BRILLIANT. I wish I had a video of it.
 
Yeah I love that move...

I was once pushed up to 145ish stuck in the passing lane by an unmarked cruiser. Could have ended very badly because I was on the way to a Crown Victoria club meet, so I had assumed it was a fellow club member, and was almost ready to play around a bit. Luckily he was so damned close I could make out the red and white flag on his uniform. He didn't ever hit the lights (not that I could have seen the strobes at that distance anyway, totally hidden behind the trunk) or even give me the hairy eyeball going by, he was just riding my ass cause... I don't know why.
 
Agreed entirely except for the F-35 purchase comments.
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What exactly is the other side of the dispute here? We're buying a completely un battle tested aerial platform that even the Americans, with the massive gobs of money they already have invested are getting a little naseous when they think about too hard.

For the type of work we should need our air force for, the F-22 would have been not just fine...but elite at the job. For a fraction the cost. The F-35's only major edge over the F-22 (even assuming that it turns out to be as advertised in battle situations) is that it's a much better ground attack weapon than the F-22 is....so, if we're planning on staying in Afghanistan for another 15 years or fighting similar battles....it's the weapon of choice. If we want a jet that can patrol and defend our sovereign air space...the F-22 is actually superior.
 
blacksheep said:

Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Politics/...deau-speratist-comments-120214/#ixzz1mOos1hts

Strong words from Pierre's offspring towards the direction Harper's Tories are taking us. While he loathes a separate Quebec as much as any other sane individual, he loathes Harper's direction even more so, and would rather be in a separate Quebec than living under Harper's path. It's hard to disagree.
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You're as pathetic and sad as that part-time drama teacher Trudeau.

That speech was so painfully theatrical it was almost unwatchable. 3rd person, a dramatic 'end scene', and faux passion...it truly was a performance.

But behind that nonsense were the words of a petulant spoiled child. What he said holds no water. The Conservatives haven't attacked abortion, gay marriage or capital punishment. They haven't damaged womens rights nor turned Canada into a less compassionate place to live.

Quite frankly, the past 6 years have looked more like a Liberal government has been in power compared to a Conservative one.

I hope he gets his face caved in by Brazeau in that boxing match.
 
Leafovic said:
If you read his comments in full context it's a pretty good point. He didn't actually say that the Conservatives are governing much didfferent. He basically said "if". And you would have a lot of people agree that Canada is really a nation that was always more left and that its hard for many to see Canada as anything else..a Canada that was against gay rights, etc
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Why even say that though?

And Canada really hasn't been traditionally "left". Other than national health care our country has historically been middle of the road politically.

Read Fearful Symmetry: The Fall and Rise of Canada's Founding Values and watch the author plot the turn that Canada took to the left very late in our history.
 
blacksheep said:
Sure, Chretien was no angel, and there is Adscam, but post-Chretien, there was also a surplus and single-digit unemployment.
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Oh ya, adscam! No biggie. Just a few bucks here and there. And you can thank the GST (the T stands for tax, in case you didn't know), the raiding of public pension fund and underfunding the military for those super awesome surpluses.

And don't forget that super well run gun registry!

P.E. Trudeau also never caved to U.S. demands of Canada.
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When has Harper?

As for P.E. Trudeau, he ruled this nation for over a decade, and protected us from some of the worst shit we've ever faced since WWII. He almost single-handedly ended the terror reign of the FLQ, and negotiated most of the outstanding First Nations issues out.
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Really?...Really?...

This is the "worst shit" since WW2? How about dealing with a recession like Harper has for the past 3 years.
 
corksens said:
Why even say that though?

And Canada really hasn't been traditionally "left". Other than national health care our country has historically been middle of the road politically.

Read Fearful Symmetry: The Fall and Rise of Canada's Founding Values and watch the author plot the turn that Canada took to the left very late in our history.
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I remember looking at that book at Chapters and thought it be a good read. A rare conservative book that seemed to be based on facts. If I remember some stuff the first portions the author talks about how Canada is the way it is today much because we've let Quebec have everything they want. You can also say though this was simply the fair/logical thing to do. (but I'll have ro read it)

But that's probably the point of Trudeau. Canada has been a nation of accomodation, in regards to Quebec but also immigration, multiculturalism. With the Charter, Canada started to lead on rights. Before even that you had Tommy Douglas who developed this healthcare system that's really again about accomodation, compassion, "we are all in together" type feel, or else we might have a similar system to the United STates.

If this wasn't the case, Trudeau is just saying, it might be better for Quebec to not be part of Canada..and he's right. He specifically said if there was no gay rights/marriage, ban against abortion and a THOUSAND other smaller things.
 
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MindzEye said:
What exactly is the other side of the dispute here? We're buying a completely un battle tested aerial platform that even the Americans, with the massive gobs of money they already have invested are getting a little naseous when they think about too hard.

For the type of work we should need our air force for, the F-22 would have been not just fine...but elite at the job. For a fraction the cost. The F-35's only major edge over the F-22 (even assuming that it turns out to be as advertised in battle situations) is that it's a much better ground attack weapon than the F-22 is....so, if we're planning on staying in Afghanistan for another 15 years or fighting similar battles....it's the weapon of choice. If we want a jet that can patrol and defend our sovereign air space...the F-22 is actually superior.
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And why would the Americans give up an aircraft that they've made it abundantly clear that only they will possess? The F-22 is so advanced in some respects you can find corners of the internet theorizing it was created using part of the aliens technology exchange negotiated by Eisenhower.
 
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