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OT: American Politics

I agree with the pub analogy. What I see different is that there is no Leafs/Habs discussions/rivalry in some threads. It just happens to be in a Leafs forum but the threads themselves are generic and non sports. In pub analogy, side drinking rooms.

Please Note. Drink responsibly and in moderation lest you cause yourself erectile dysfunction....or delusions of Cups wins.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

that report has been thoroughly discredited by several published stories i have read the past couple of days. it was complete garbage dredged up by CCPA timed for release just before may day to fuel a bunch of anger for the occupy wackos to jack off to on that day. not only was there no "bailout" costing $100+ billion, in fact the gov't ended up making a profit out of the whole thing.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

if liberals were in power in 2008 and floated $114bn to ensure that the banks maintained liquidity, there is no doubt in my mind that you would be screaming for their heads for putting up public money to bail out the banks.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

if liberals were in power in 2008 and floated $114bn to ensure that the banks maintained liquidity, there is no doubt in my mind that you would be screaming for their heads for putting up public money to bail out the banks.
Yes. We would have.

But that isn't what happened here. It's a non-story by a left-wing think tank.
 
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yeah, that is what happened here.

i'm not going to bother arguing the merits of a report that neither you nor i have read. as lecoq stated, it seems to have its flaws.

that doesn't change the fact that the government floated $114bn to allow banks to maintain liquidity.

period.

i don't know why you're debating that.

A spokeswoman for the Canadian Bankers Association said government support was meant to help banks lend to small business, not to protect the banks from failure.

you can play semantics if you'd like (i personally find it to be a waste of time), but bottom line is you'd be playing the same game from the opposite side if the liberals did the same thing. then it WOULD be a 'bailout' and you'd be screaming about those socialist *******s etc. etc. etc.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

114b wasn't spent to float it. A fraction of that was.

Period.

The whole report, with creative accounting, ended up being 114b.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

There is a reason this story didn't get more than a mornings worth of airtime. It's nonsense. It's been discredited and picked apart for what it is...drivel.
 
Then there are the Sens fans...they're like the people that you never see most of the time but when there's a rivalry game or the locals' team is doing poorly, they pop out the foam fingers and taunts and then go into the woodwork, leaving the rest of us flabbergasted and a little annoyed.
Johnny, kb and I are always around.

Sensible is alittle more fickle.

But no one disappears quite like zeke. He's the master.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

msun's point is that if it had been a Liberal gov't that had done exactly the same thing, you muppets would have been appoplectic with indignant rage. Likely true.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

You could argue Canada Mortgage and Housing is one big bailout in waiting. But that wouldn't be the same as money literally being sent over to the auto industry to keep it afloat.

I don't love the practice of government intervention - banks, auto industry alike - but this isn't a bailout and most certainly isn't a story.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Providing liquidity to banks is not the same as a bail out. They are not supporting bank equity, they making sure credit markets function. Banks are the chief intermediaries for those markets, and as such, would be the entities that have access to these liquidity facilities.
 
great. we'll see how the mods respond. it would be pretty hilarious if they delete my post that is an exact copy of the words you used that WEREN'T deleted.

y'know, you're a bit of a punk sometimes (your definition). You've dragged this whole thing on for several pages...when you could have easily moved on and continued to proselytize about American politics.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Quebec student group wants free tuition in 5 years

Proposes that banks be taxed for free education

Quebec student group CLASSE presented a two-phase counter offer to the Quebec government Thursday morning which would culminate in the total elimination of tuition fees by 2016.

"I believe it is a plan that is responsible, a plan that is concrete . . . which is part of a vision that is much more promising for Quebec than what is proposed by the Liberals," said CLASSE spokesperson Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois.

CLASSE, often described as the most militant of the three major groups involved in the student strike, presented the plan at a news conference in Montreal.

The group has maintained it won't accept any offer that includes a tuition hike and is pushing for the eventual elimination of the fees altogether.

As an immediate solution to the tuition debate impasse, the group proposed a reduction in the amount of money spent on research and publicity by the province's universities, a salary freeze for the institutions top administrators and the scrapping of major infrastructure projects like satellite campuses.

"The money that students invest in the universities should serve to finance activities fundamental to the universities . . . like teaching, which is the primary activity for us, " Nadeau-Dubois said.

He said the changes would create an "equilibrium between the expenses in teaching and research."

CLASSE called for a public forum to discuss the role of universities and university financing in the province.

To pay the full cost of eliminating tuition fees for students, CLASSE called for "the restoration of the capital tax on financial institutions."

It proposes a tax of 0.14 per cent per cent this year that would rise to 0.7 per cent by 2016. The tax would generate $400 million, "the exact amount of free school," Nadeau-Dubois said.

The government's offer, presented last week, includes spreading the $1,625 tuition increase over seven years instead of five, adding $39 million in bursaries and the creation of a special council to oversee university management.

The 43 student associations that make up CLASSE unanimously rejected that proposal during a meeting last weekend.

"It's only a cosmetic offer in which the government makes technical differences, but in fact there is no movement, no compromise," Nadeau-Dubois said of the government's offer with respect to the fee hikes.

Education Minister Line Beauchamp said the offer by CLASSE is essentially the same position it has maintained all along and therefore isn't helping to find a solution to the impasse. She said the government was prepared to adjust its position by staggering the hikes over longer period.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/05/03/quebec-student-protests-classe.html

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Crush this protest. Send the riot squads. Arrest them all and send them the bill.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Yeah I for one am tired of the whiny French protesting everything. Even after the raises, they'll have the cheapest tuition in the country. Get over it. I'd have more sympathy if people that age voted. But if you're not going to vote, then the government is going to ignore your wishes when making policy. Pretty simple.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

They pay anywhere from two thirds to three quarters less for tuition than we do in Ontario. Quite frankly those entitled bastards go can **** themselves.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

WHAT? You bunch of rednecks right wing reactionaries are rejecting your comrades?

I say we support them and add a few feebies of our own.

I want free hookers.

I want free movies.

I want free food.

I want $100k pensions.

I want free housing.

I want free cars.

AND.....

I want the rich to pay for it.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

I don't really understand the problem here. Just give all these students that are on "strike" a failing grade. And if they don't start attending classes and bringing their grades up in the necessary time frame, boot them out of school.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Cork keeps dodging whether or not he would have been up in arms had it been a Liberal govt that did what his boys did.
 
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