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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

Montana said:
the bad news is, any deal he makes that remotely resembles his long list of train wrecks instantly fuck us in a major crippling way….that Dubas wisely avoided.

he made his mistakes.…but he never completely destroyed us with a signing. Like some of these Treliving deals could.
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I mean I get why you're alarmed if you think he's literally going to destroy the team with multiple horrible signings and "cap hell". But I trust that this young gm can grow from those experiences and adapt his strategy managing a team with a unique cap structure.

We weren't in those interviews and don't know what was discussed. This is a gm that did a lot of absolutely sensational things in Calgary, way more than Kyle ever did. Do more of that and less of the bad and we're talking.
 
I'd be fine with Treleiving honestly. Those western Canadian teams (and Winnipeg) are tough markets to manage, generally a smaller budget and 90% of players have those teams on no-trade lists.
 
Considering Chester the Molester is the only one reporting Treliving as a done deal, I still absolutely refuse to believe it.

If it does become reality though…hoo boy. I will be vocally, incessantly and insufferably aboard the “fire Shanahan” train. Would be our worst GM hire since JFJ.
 
Volcanologist said:
I see the coping has begun and is in full swing
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the objective, realistic anti-dubite mocking others for not shitting on his replacement immediately.

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Volcanologist said:
I see the coping has begun and is in full swing
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But the failson trust fund baby of Tanenbaum’s golfing buddy put together a team that had good “nerdies”, you see. And that generally finished with decent regular season records.

Never you mind that it was in a shit-pile of a conference, that his lack of playoff success rivals Dubas’s, that he made a slew of horrific trades & UFA signings and totally botched the re-signing of their young stars.

It’s all good! Just give the guy a chance. It’s not like he has a lengthy shitty track record with which to judge him.
 
Preston said:
I mean I get why you're alarmed if you think he's literally going to destroy the team with multiple horrible signings and "cap hell". But I trust that this young gm can grow from those experiences and adapt his strategy managing a team with a unique cap structure.

We weren't in those interviews and don't know what was discussed. This is a gm that did a lot of absolutely sensational things in Calgary, way more than Kyle ever did. Do more of that and less of the bad and we're talking.
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Yeah, that's what it comes down to. Would've been (would still be?) cool to have knocked it out of the park with a sexier choice, but I wasn't really expecting to fall in love with any replacement, especially after my Dubie adoration got rewarded with his outgoing fiasco. Looking back on his record, I trusted him to not do anything too risky or fucked up, and he didn't. I also was expecting him to get more aggressive and go for the bigger names sometimes, to add to the core, but he never did. He arguably subtracted from it by losing Kadri for nothing - very bad unforced error, even though the right move was to part ways at the time. He got too focused on D and the rotating goalie carousel, and really neglected to get any strong depth behind the big guys, who always had to carry the team. And when he did get them, or just had them, he didn't keep guys, often to my shock when dudes like Hyman, Mikky, and Engvall (who all seemingly loved TO) weren't signed to longer deals when they likely could've been, and then walked when suitors got the chance to shower them with green.

I liked Dubie's work for the most part (nobody's perfect), but he lost his way in the end. These dumb Mrazek and Murray situations, being on board with burying Sandin and Lilly in favor of worse, expensive junk whose money could've been used on forwards (including McCann), dumping Sandin and Engvall on the eve of the playoffs for bupkis. This was not my Dubie in the end, and I'm glad he shot himself in the foot so that we can see something different, because the same same wasn't working obviously.

Any fresh take will come into a structure spearheaded by Shanny, with a solid infrastructure, unlimited money to burn on cap and non-cap, and will inherit the clout of the Toronto GM position. The replacement is stepping into a situation that is well-organized and not really susceptible to epic fuck ups. Plus, he has the head start of having Matty, Willy, Marner, Tavares, and Rielly. Guys like Knies and Lilly. Some cool prospects. This is not a situation where he will be building from scratch in his own image. He'll be taking over, just as Dubie did, and hopefully steering the ship in a different direction that ends up being the right direction. Not worried unless I start seeing a continuation of stupid shit like Lilly traded for a pick, since we just got rid of the guy that was doing dumb shit like that.
 
“The simplistic way (assistant GM Chris Snow) broke it down, he says what’s available in the public sphere, it’d be like going to a game and turning the lights out for 50 seconds of every minute,” Treliving explained of the depth of information Calgary has. “So you’ve got basically an 8-to-10 second look at what happens in a game. A lot of the public information is anywhere between 300-500 events that take place in a game. We’re over 4,000. There’s just a whole lot more happening and you’re studying a whole lot more.

“Not to poo-poo what’s out there, but we invest significant money, time, personnel, people to come up with the data we come up with and that’s just not what’s out there publicly.”

Treliving said his team tracks all sorts of information every game to measure a player’s impact. There are people whose jobs it is in the Flames organization to look into the most minute details and extract what it means on the whole, so Treliving isn’t necessarily pouring over spreadsheets to get to his own conclusion.

Treliving said he usually will re-watch a Flames game the morning after and that when he is able to do that armed with this “overall contribution number,” it helps remove some of the subjectivity you get watching live.

“You think Joe Smith had a great game or vice-versa, a lot of times you watch it the next day and he wasn’t quite as poor or wasn’t quite as good as you thought,” Treliving told Friedman. “When you know what the score was and the emotion’s removed from it you look at things in a completely different manner. As long as you’ve been in the game you try to be objective when you watch, but it’s hard.”

When asked which player looks better when measured with this overall impact number, Treliving said Derek Ryan was an example of someone who stood out. Though he’s having a pretty good season with 25 points in 50 games, Ryan has never hit 40 points in a season and his on-ice style doesn’t always demand your attention.
 
Preston said:
Treliving said his team tracks all sorts of information every game to measure a player’s impact. There are people whose jobs it is in the Flames organization to look into the most minute details and extract what it means on the whole, so Treliving isn’t necessarily pouring over spreadsheets to get to his own conclusion.

Treliving said he usually will re-watch a Flames game the morning after and that when he is able to do that armed with this “overall contribution number,” it helps remove some of the subjectivity you get watching live.
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Oh good. #fakenerd
 
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