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Hayton and Tuch would be great adds. Tuchs hit 30+ in 3 of 4 years. haytons a pre prime very good two way centre with enough skill to slot up when needed. And he might have some untapped offense.
 
LeafGm said:
Man, you're really looking to add some long bois to our forward group, eh? 12 feet and 9 inches worth of Marchment & Tuch.

Have to say though, neither of those guys excite me much as our big additions up front. Florida just added an impact player in his 20's who's going to be there and in his prime for a while. I want to see something imaginative and ambitious like that, rather than just overpaying two guys on the wrong side of 30 who happen to be two of the bigger fish in an extremely shallow UFA pool.

And Hayton would be ok...just OK.
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Fwiw...if you're a nerdies guy, Tuch is every bit as good as Tkachuk and I'm prone to agree with it.

Also fwiw, I'm not convinced that Lundell is actually better than the good version of Hayton.
 
MindzEye said:
What if they traded for Larkin, or Hellebuyck instead? Then there's no offer at all, nevermind a good one. They were clearly looking to add. They traded Samoskevich to add picks so that they had surplus to spend on another good player. They were shopping, and now is the time for that.



When time is not on your side, don't tempt fate. This is how you end up giving Mitch Marner away for Nic Roy.
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They only made the earlier trade to do this trade. They obviously had a specific target here, and as long as you have them on the hook, you can be sure they wouldn’t blow their wad on any other player if Brady was in play.
 
They had a target, but if Ottawa fucked around on the Brady trade Florida would have done a deal for someone else. They weren't going to be left standing with their dick in their hands.

But the important thing here is that Ottawa got good value for him. It's really that simple. I don't see why Lundell is a more valuable piece than the 9th overall. You weren't getting both for Brady, and if I could choose one of the two, I take the 9th in this draft.
 
MindzEye said:
They had a target, but if Ottawa fucked around on the Brady trade Florida would have done a deal for someone else. They weren't going to be left standing with their dick in their hands.

But the important thing here is that Ottawa got good value for him. It's really that simple. I don't see why Lundell is a more valuable piece than the 9th overall. You weren't getting both for Brady, and if I could choose one of the two, I take the 9th in this draft.
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He’s not necessarily better value than the 9th. But I was saying him instead of those two ‘29 and ‘30 picks.
 
LeafGm said:
Man, you're really looking to add some long bois to our forward group, eh? 12 feet and 9 inches worth of Marchment & Tuch.

Have to say though, neither of those guys excite me much as our big additions up front. Florida just added an impact player in his 20's who's going to be there and in his prime for a while. I want to see something imaginative and ambitious like that, rather than just overpaying two guys on the wrong side of 30 who happen to be two of the bigger fish in an extremely shallow UFA pool.

And Hayton would be ok...just OK.
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2yr ppg

Matthews 29 1.03 --- Barkov 31 1.06
Nylander 30 1.11 --- Tkachuk 29 1.10
Knies 24 0.79 --- Tkachuk 27 0.86

Tavares 36 0.92 --- Bennett 30 0.72
Tuch 30 0.83 --- Reinhart 31 0.99
McKenna 19 billions --- Marchand 38 0.85

Hayton 26 0.48 --- Lundell 25 0.62
Marchment 31 0.71 --- Verhaeghe 31 0.68
Cowan 21 0.44 --- Luostarinen 28 0.37

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MindzEye said:
Fwiw...if you're a nerdies guy, Tuch is every bit as good as Tkachuk and I'm prone to agree with it.

Also fwiw, I'm not convinced that Lundell is actually better than the good version of Hayton.
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Again, I'm sure Tuch is a perfectly lovely player.

But can't the burger boy brainiac come up with something more clever than overpaying a 30-year old UFA? And again, Hayton's a perfectly OK player. But we'd still be left relying on Tavares in the 2C slot for the foreseeable future.
 

2yr avg of 5v5 p1/60 and p/60

Matthews 29 1.97 --- Barkov 31 1.83
Nylander 30 2.16 --- Tkachuk 29 2.05
Knies 24 1.76 --- Tkachuk 27 1.63

Tavares 36 1.90 --- Bennett 30 1.76
Tuch 30 2.05 --- Reinhart 31 1.52
McKenna 19 billions --- Marchand 38 1.82

Hayton 26 1.07 --- Lundell 25 1.61
Marchment 31 1.98 --- Verhaeghe 31 1.68
Cowan 21 1.30 --- Luostarinen 28 1.18​
 
LeafGm said:
Again, I'm sure Tuch is a perfectly lovely player.

But can't the burger boy brainiac come up with something more clever than overpaying a 30-year old UFA?
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Maybe, but why does everything have to be clever? We have cap space to use, and adding a legit 1st line winger for nothing but money feels pretty smart to me. That would be pulling in the best UFA defender and forward from this UFA class. It's not not clever.

The thing about clever moves is that they usually don't pay off immediately if you're looking at being clever to fill top of the lineup needs. It's not an either/or. Sign Tuch and also do something clever.

LeafGm said:
And again, Hayton's a perfectly OK player. But we'd still be left relying on Tavares in the 2C slot for the foreseeable future.
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Tavares was good as a 2C last year though. No rush to replace him unless there's a good move out there to be made. Doms nerd points had him in same group with Brayden Point, Barzal, Crosby, Hischier & Larkin. I'm good with filling our obvious problem at 3C before we address 2C. Yeah, we need an answer there at some point in the next 12-24 months definitely, but that doesn't need to be today.
 
Tuch had a poor end to his season but adding another sizable goalscorer to the top 9 is tempting for just money

we do need to further address center and defence. maybe it's a signing that frees a different winger up for trade as well.
 
zeke said:

2yr avg of 5v5 p1/60 and p/60

Matthews 29 1.97 --- Barkov 31 1.83
Nylander 30 2.16 --- Tkachuk 29 2.05
Knies 24 1.76 --- Tkachuk 27 1.63

Tavares 36 1.90 --- Bennett 30 1.76
Tuch 30 2.05 --- Reinhart 31 1.52
McKenna 19 billions --- Marchand 38 1.82

Hayton 26 1.07 --- Lundell 25 1.61
Marchment 31 1.98 --- Verhaeghe 31 1.68
Cowan 21 1.30 --- Luostarinen 28 1.18​
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Groulx 26 1.59 --- Boqvist 28 1.00
Joshua 30 1.24 --- Rodrigues 33 1.11
Lorentz 30 1.13 --- Gadjovich 28 0.99



Raddysh 30 1.22 --- Forsling 30 0.77
McCabe 33 0.79 --- Ekblad 30 0.73

Rielly 32 0.80 --- Jones 32 0.68
OEL 35 0.82 --- Mikkola 30 0.55

Tanev 37 0.43 --- Kulikov 36 0.33
Andrae 24 0.57 --- Balinskis 30 0.58​
 
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LeafOfFaith said:
The fact that they couldn't pry Lundell loose and had to settle for picks in 2029 and 2030 instead is actually laughable.

They could well have told Florida to sit tight for another two years then, or just pony up a good roster player.
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Kinda see a OKC type of situation. Wait for Florida to get old and those picks could get into top 5-10. Could be a brilliant long term play since they are not gonna win now and could be rebuilding
 
The next CBA needs to address these players signing long term deal with no trade clauses and then demanding to be traded. This is an absolute unfair advantage the player holds over the team.
There should be an automatic clause in these contracts that a player must file with the league to demand a trade while in a contract and when that happens the no trade clause is rendered void.
 
Kritter said:
The next CBA needs to address these players signing long term deal with no trade clauses and then demanding to be traded. This is an absolute unfair advantage the player holds over the team.
There should be an automatic clause in these contracts that a player must file with the league to demand a trade while in a contract and when that happens the no trade clause is rendered void.
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Don't like it? Stop giving them those deals.
 
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