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That man is an idiot

I hate the lack of intellectual diversity in our universities that ethical review boards have been captured by the critical theorists, and that conservative voices don’t have room in universities, which I think is a fundamental flaw.

I think we need to be tougher on crime

I don’t like mass immigration I like the other model we used to have that was a point space system not this one where people were getting shortcuts by buying spots at schools that didn’t actually exist

And at the same time, America is a vampire

The liberal party is the only choice

And our Prime Minister is the person’s best suited for the job

I like him because he’s much more right wing than Justin was

The national Post is just grasping at straws

And if somebody like me can be aligned with a party like the liberal party of Canada and we can find agreement with a man like our Prime Minister and it most definitely is a big tent party
 
Stinky said:
That man is an idiot

I hate the lack of intellectual diversity in our universities that ethical review boards have been captured by the critical theorists, and that conservative voices don’t have room in universities, which I think is a fundamental flaw.

I think we need to be tougher on crime

I don’t like mass immigration I like the other model we used to have that was a point space system not this one where people were getting shortcuts by buying spots at schools that didn’t actually exist

And at the same time, America is a vampire

The liberal party is the only choice

And our Prime Minister is the person’s best suited for the job

I like him because he’s much more right wing than Justin was

The national Post is just grasping at straws

And if somebody like me can be aligned with a party like the liberal party of Canada and we can find agreement with a man like our Prime Minister and it most definitely is a big tent party
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True

If the only reason that one is against a good idea is that the Liberals are for it, the problem isn't with the Liberals.

I submit Bill C6 as evidence.
 
Which version of Bill C6 are you talking about? If it’s the one that Dan conversion therapy that was problematic for people within the therapeutic profession because frequently in traditionally gender dysphoria was seen as a neurotic adaptation and through probing questions and challenging this many people would be supported enough to grow through this and grow out of it. Current interpretations of the law banning conversion therapy had made it illegal to do anything but gender, affirming care such that some interpretations by ethical review committees is that any questioning of somebody’s neurotic adaptation is conversion therapy and hate speech, which became a back door that stopped therapist from being objective and doing their jobs essentially handing the keys to the medicine cabinet over to the people who sometimes need to have these beliefs challenged

If that’s the C6 that you’re talking about, there’s a really dark side as well. I consider the current therapeutic stance of making everything about systemic actions rather than individual responsibility. Affirm of left-wing conversion therapy in itself.

But that’s from working the field things became less and less about individual responsibility and more and more about collective guilt, reparations, or systemic factors which absolve people from the needs to fucking take care of themselves.

It’s one of the fundamental reasons why I left the profession because I found it to become immoral unethical and against everything I believed in as a therapist
 
Stinky said:
Which version of Bill C6 are you talking about? If it’s the one that Dan conversion therapy that was problematic for people within the therapeutic profession because frequently in traditionally gender dysphoria was seen as a neurotic adaptation and through probing questions and challenging this many people would be supported enough to grow through this and grow out of it. Current interpretations of the law banning conversion therapy had made it illegal to do anything but gender, affirming care such that some interpretations by ethical review committees is that any questioning of somebody’s neurotic adaptation is conversion therapy and hate speech, which became a back door that stopped therapist from being objective and doing their jobs essentially handing the keys to the medicine cabinet over to the people who sometimes need to have these beliefs challenged

If that’s the C6 that you’re talking about, there’s a really dark side as well. I consider the current therapeutic stance of making everything about systemic actions rather than individual responsibility. Affirm of left-wing conversion therapy in itself.

But that’s from working the field things became less and less about individual responsibility and more and more about collective guilt, reparations, or systemic factors which absolve people from the needs to fucking take care of themselves.

It’s one of the fundamental reasons why I left the profession because I found it to become immoral unethical and against everything I believed in as a therapist
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That is a great post.

The issue that I was referring to was the interview with the Windsor CPC member of parliament who, when asked, stated that she voted against the bill because it was a Liberal thing.

Interestingly, half of the CPC party, including the current leader, voted for the repeal the law under the bill.
 
thehabhater said:
That is a great post.

The issue that I was referring to was the interview with the Windsor CPC member of parliament who, when asked, stated that she voted against the bill because it was a Liberal thing.

Interestingly, half of the CPC party, including the current leader, voted for the repeal the law under the bill.
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That was voice to text and I’m glad you get the gist… I appreciate you and our engagement here… in the big tent.
 
Stinky said:
That man is an idiot

I hate the lack of intellectual diversity in our universities that ethical review boards have been captured by the critical theorists, and that conservative voices don’t have room in universities, which I think is a fundamental flaw.

I think we need to be tougher on crime

I don’t like mass immigration I like the other model we used to have that was a point space system not this one where people were getting shortcuts by buying spots at schools that didn’t actually exist

And at the same time, America is a vampire

The liberal party is the only choice

And our Prime Minister is the person’s best suited for the job

I like him because he’s much more right wing than Justin was

The national Post is just grasping at straws

And if somebody like me can be aligned with a party like the liberal party of Canada and we can find agreement with a man like our Prime Minister and it most definitely is a big tent party
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The CPC bleeding conservative voters such as yourself to the Carney Liberals is an excellent demonstration of how the party in its current form is well and truly lost.

Carney’s out there being an experienced, competent Progressive Conservative PM running a true big-tent party, and the CPC is a coterie of unserious & unqualified influencers, cranks, dorks, grifters, sloganeers and rage-farmers that are still inordinately preoccupied with not offending the Maple MAGA wing of the party or the members of the tiny online far-right bubble they inhabit.
 
Stinky said:
That man is an idiot

I hate the lack of intellectual diversity in our universities that ethical review boards have been captured by the critical theorists, and that conservative voices don’t have room in universities, which I think is a fundamental flaw.

I think we need to be tougher on crime

I don’t like mass immigration I like the other model we used to have that was a point space system not this one where people were getting shortcuts by buying spots at schools that didn’t actually exist

And at the same time, America is a vampire

The liberal party is the only choice

And our Prime Minister is the person’s best suited for the job

I like him because he’s much more right wing than Justin was

The national Post is just grasping at straws

And if somebody like me can be aligned with a party like the liberal party of Canada and we can find agreement with a man like our Prime Minister and it most definitely is a big tent party
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Obviously i disagree with some of the things you argue here, but the fact that you're able to rationally make the case why they don't justify blanket anti-lib politics, and that there are either priorities at stake, is too encouraging to even try to argue them.

I don't doubt that there is validity to the concerns you have here and that you have good reasons to believe and pursue them.
 
Stinky said:
That man is an idiot

I hate the lack of intellectual diversity in our universities that ethical review boards have been captured by the critical theorists, and that conservative voices don’t have room in universities, which I think is a fundamental flaw.

I think we need to be tougher on crime

I don’t like mass immigration I like the other model we used to have that was a point space system not this one where people were getting shortcuts by buying spots at schools that didn’t actually exist

And at the same time, America is a vampire

The liberal party is the only choice

And our Prime Minister is the person’s best suited for the job

I like him because he’s much more right wing than Justin was

The national Post is just grasping at straws

And if somebody like me can be aligned with a party like the liberal party of Canada and we can find agreement with a man like our Prime Minister and it most definitely is a big tent party
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I would push back at some of these points, universities are not simple "liberal" end of story, a lot of people there (not all) value intellectual honesty, thought-provoking debates, and great ideas no matter where they come from. And conservatives have had plenty of great ideas over time, the left is not right on every issue. However - in this day and age of MAGA that is not the case very often, is it?

I think the Euros are generally on the right track re: crime and the focus on reducing it, and we're not far behind, but sure, we should get tougher on violent crime and the worst offenders. And our immigration model was certainly imperfect and needed to be re-assessed and modified.

But your last point is the best, after getting blown out in the election the PCs should have regrouped to try and regain the support of folks like you. Starting by understanding how and why they lost you in the first place.

I am honestly quite surprised that PP and the cons have doubled and tripled down on anti-intellectualism and MAGA idiocy, rather than wising up to what the people want. And that is honesty and authenticity - PP tweeting about a massive downturn in the economy minutes before data is released showing the opposite is a great example. Acknowledge the threat of Trump/MAGA, and understand the political reality that things have changed, and that Carney is much more centrist and pragmatic. Be real with people, and they will respond in kind. The reality is that Carney is skilled and extremely popular. They don't have to like it, but they have to understand and acknowledge it before they can move forward. Placing their heads in the sand will get them nowhere.

What they have done since the last election is the opposite of what I would have advised, and expected. This is the result.
 
axlsalinger said:
I would push back at some of these points, universities are not simple "liberal" end of story, a lot of people there (not all) value intellectual honesty, thought-provoking debates, and great ideas no matter where they come from. And conservatives have had plenty of great ideas over time, the left is not right on every issue. However - in this day and age of MAGA that is not the case very often, is it?

I think the Euros are generally on the right track re: crime and the focus on reducing it, and we're not far behind, but sure, we should get tougher on violent crime and the worst offenders. And our immigration model was certainly imperfect and needed to be re-assessed and modified.

But your last point is the best, after getting blown out in the election the PCs should have regrouped to try and regain the support of folks like you. Starting by understanding how and why they lost you in the first place.

I am honestly quite surprised that PP and the cons have doubled and tripled down on anti-intellectualism and MAGA idiocy, rather than wising up to what the people want. And that is honesty and authenticity - PP tweeting about a massive downturn in the economy minutes before data is released showing the opposite is a great example. Acknowledge the threat of Trump/MAGA, and understand the political reality that things have changed, and that Carney is much more centrist and pragmatic. Be real with people, and they will respond in kind. The reality is that Carney is skilled and extremely popular. They don't have to like it, but they have to understand and acknowledge it before they can move forward. Placing their heads in the sand will get them nowhere.

What they have done since the last election is the opposite of what I would have advised, and expected. This is the result.
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The core issue is that you can't appeal to maple maga and someone who is moderately right of centre on some issues at the same time. They're not the same constituency, they're not motivated by the same issues (single issue immigration voters aside), and the more you try to appeal to non maple maga, the higher the risk you run of that entire group of clowns migrating over to PPC or whatever new reich wing project they can dream up.

Pierre and the Alberta CPC needs maple maga, because that's their core local constituency. They have no choice but to continue appealing to those people. They will lose elections locally to nutters if that don't appeal to those people.
 
lecoqsportif said:
Yah, party would splinter.

That was how Notely accidentally became preem.
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They're playing a long game. If we beat on this culture war shit enough, we'll peel off enough Canadians eventually to win elections with it.

I don't think Canada's demographics or core ideologies work in their favour on this, and they've probably already fumbled a generational opportunity they were handed. But that's pretty clearly the play.
 
MindzEye said:
The core issue is that you can't appeal to maple maga and someone who is moderately right of centre on some issues at the same time. They're not the same constituency, they're not motivated by the same issues (single issue immigration voters aside), and the more you try to appeal to non maple maga, the higher the risk you run of that entire group of clowns migrating over to PPC or whatever new reich wing project they can dream up.

Pierre and the Alberta CPC needs maple maga, because that's their core local constituency. They have no choice but to continue appealing to those people. They will lose elections locally to nutters if that don't appeal to those people.
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The other problem is that Pierre himself and his soulmate Jenni Byrne are themselves true believers in Maple MAGA-politics.

Pierre also literally doesn’t know how to do anything else—his entire career as an MP wasn’t built on him solving problems, crafting legislation, thoughtfully thinking through issues or managing people to get things done.

It was built on being one of the caucus’s main rage-farming, yappy attack dogs. That was his entire role during Harper’s leadership. His lack of ability or qualifications to do anything else is also why Harper never entrusted him with a cabinet position until the final few dying months of his government.

I’m also convinced by how he’s conducted himself that the main, unshakeable central thesis of PP’s leadership of the party since the beginning through to today is that Scheer and O’Toole failed because they tried to tack back towards the political center, instead of unapologetically embracing the right flank of the party and their culture war grievances. And that it will eventually, inevitably pay off for him.
 
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