Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

[thehabhater]

You have to factor in a career. Richard moved the goal posts from Nels Stewart, to himself.
It took a great player like Howe to pass him.

 

[leafman101]

At one point I looked at the adjusted goals per game for all goal scorers and I think the top 3 were Ovie, Richard and Bossy.

 

[MindzEye]

Define "best player"

I think I've provided enough rational for that to be parsed without asking me to turn into Webster's fucking dictionary.

 

[Habsy]

See best player is tough for me. Best at what?

Gainey was probably the best shutdown center in history.

I love discussions like this but there should be some format. What are we actually talking about?

 

[Habsy]

I think I've provided enough rational for that to be parsed without asking me to turn into Webster's fucking dictionary.

So offense only

 

[thehabhater]

Orr was the most talented player that I ever saw. Gretzky might have been the smartest playmaker. Both of them think that Howe was the best.
When you factor in longevity, no one can touch Howe.

 

[Habsy]

Offense is too easy

 

[Habsy]

Orr was the most talented player that I ever saw. Gretzky might have been the smartest playmaker. Both of them think that Howe was the best.
When you factor in longevity, no one can touch Howe.

Lemieux was the most fluid. Looked like he wasn't even trying.

 

[MindzEye]

What are we actually talking about?

Overall individual accolades and the sweet spot of risk between the highest peak of their greatness and longevity with team factors thrown in for context.

 

[Habsy]

So offense top five are

Gretzky
Lemieux
Orr
Howe
Crosby

 

[LeafOfFaith]

I think I've provided enough rational for that to be parsed without asking me to turn into Webster's fucking dictionary.

 

[Habsy]

Overall individual accolades and the sweet spot of risk between the highest peak of their greatness and longevity with team factors thrown in for context.

Still requires metrics. Greatness in what?

 

[Habsy]

Your top five defensive forwards? Curious there.

 

[thehabhater]

Lemieux was the most fluid. Looked like he wasn't even trying.

I was lucky to see him play in person during his first few seasons. He was special indeed.

 

[thehabhater]

Your top five defensive forwards? Curious there.

Gainey for sure. They invented a trophy just to honor him.
Jacques Lemaire, Dave Keon.

 

[MindzEye]

So offense only

No, but you need to be a hell of a defensive forward to push into the top 5 over guys who blew your doors off offensively.

 

[MindzEye]

Still requires metrics. Greatness in what?

I mean, I provided a list above.

 

[thehabhater]

If you really want to argue..

Best goalie ever.

 

[MindzEye]

Your top five defensive forwards? Curious there.

Gainey, Keon, Bergeron, Toews, Datsyuk

 

[MindzEye]

If you really want to argue..

Best goalie ever.

No argument. Hasek and it's not close.