Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

[Preston]

And you've done soooo well since

Can't even "luck" into a run.

If it wasn't so fucking sad I'd pile on more.


You guys better win a round this year or it will get merciless. What a fucking rationalized joke.

Kind of yeah. But the point was that it took a looong time to get here. Because management tripled down on a shit roster that got lucky and misunderstood what gave them the little success they had.

 

[Habsy]

Kind of yeah. But the point was that it took a looong time to get here. Because management tripled down on a shit roster that got lucky and misunderstood what gave them the little success they had.

I'll take our "success" or lack thereof over yours. Every day.

Change my mind.

 

[MindzEye]

Doesn't work that way and you know it.

Except I don't know that at all.

I know that the vast, vast majority of championships are won by elite regular season teams. If you're not an elite regular season team, your chance of winning a championship is more or less nil and the amount of weirdo one and done championship runs in the last ~30 years can be counted on one hand with fingers to spare. St Louis & the Kings 1st cup run. That's it. That's the list. If you think that I value a mediocre team winning a few rounds surrounded by seasons of mediocrity (or worse), you're out of your mind. Even the two examples I provided above were top 5 teams in the 2nd half of the regular season. Both started their cup runs in January-February basically. If you're not good enough to be dominant in the regular season, you just don't win a cup and I could seriously give zero fucks about being 6-7 in the conference and sneaking a series win out.

This is why Leaf fan gets mocked mercilessly you guys deserve it.

It's why we get mocked, but you're all idiots for mocking it. The measure of success is being good enough to win a cup, point blank period. Only elite regular season clubs win cups, again, point blank period. All you can do to somewhat control your own destiny is to build an elite team and then pray to whatever god you believe in when spring rolls around. All of these one and done weirdo runs (yes, like the Habs recent run) provide evidence to this point. If you're a mediocre or worse team that won a few rounds, the worst thing you can do is to fall in love with the smell of your own farts and double down on a bad team.

Will this Leafs group win a cup? Dunno. Are they the type of club that wins one though? Yeah, they are. Top 5-7 regular season club with no apparent glaring weaknesses (goaltending tbd). One of those wins the cup almost every year.

 

[Preston]

I'll take our "success" or lack thereof over yours. Every day.

Change my mind.

You made friends along the way and that's great. But you're missing what this argument is actually about.

 

[MindzEye]

Bullshit. The amount of enjoyment you receive in playoff runs is vastly better. You just don't know what it feels like.

Motherfucker, you know that I'm not 15 years old and have actually lived through and experienced the type of playoff "runs" you're talking about, right?

 

[Habsy]

Except I don't know that at all.

I know that the vast, vast majority of championships are won by elite regular season teams. If you're not an elite regular season team, your chance of winning a championship is more or less nil and the amount of weirdo one and done championship runs in the last ~30 years can be counted on one hand with fingers to spare. St Louis & the Kings 1st cup run. That's it. That's the list. If you think that I value a mediocre team winning a few rounds surrounded by seasons of mediocrity (or worse), you're out of your mind. Even the two examples I provided above were top 5 teams in the 2nd half of the regular season. Both started their cup runs in January-February basically. If you're not good enough to be dominant in the regular season, you just don't win a cup and I could seriously give zero fucks about being 6-7 in the conference and sneaking a series win out.


It's why we get mocked, but you're all idiots for mocking it. The measure of success is being good enough to win a cup, point blank period. Only elite regular season clubs win cups, again, point blank period. All you can do to somewhat control your own destiny is to build an elite team and then pray to whatever god you believe in when spring rolls around. All of these one and done weirdo runs (yes, like the Habs recent run) provide evidence to this point. If you're a mediocre or worse team that won a few rounds, the worst thing you can do is to fall in love with the smell of your own farts and double down on a bad team.

Will this Leafs group win a cup? Dunno. Are they the type of club that wins one though? Yeah, they are. Top 5-7 regular season club with no apparent glaring weaknesses (goaltending tbd). One of those wins the cup almost every year.

These are rationalizations man. You're better than this. If this is the Leaf mentality then it's no wonder you can't win in the playoffs.

The Habs went through their shit management and still managed deep runs now they're rebuilding and I'm perfectly fine with it.

The whole point is zeke threw them in for grins and giggles and I'm having a lot of them over this. Thanks zeke.

 

[Habsy]

Motherfucker, you know that I'm not 15 years old and have actually lived through and experienced the type of playoff "runs" you're talking about, right?

Well since I have kids I am a motherfucker. Won't argue there.

You know what I was saying, zeke throws trash out and it's coming back at you.

 

[hockeylover]

You made friends along the way and that's great. But you're missing what this argument is actually about.

was pretty clear in response to me that he was just looking for a fight, doesn't really matter what the original point was.

 

[MindzEye]

This is so cute how you've convinced yourself losing is better.

No one said better.

Losing is losing. What we're saying is that a real opportunity to win (as in, being an actually elite team...even one with our hilarious recent playoff history) is better than false hope,

 

[MindzEye]

was pretty clear in response to me that he was just looking for a fight, doesn't really matter what the original point was.

I agree, he is a complete cunt.

 

[Habsy]

You made friends along the way and that's great. But you're missing what this argument is actually about.

No I'm not. I would agree with the Oil and Islanders but throwing in the Habs was just a jab. So you get counter-punches.

 

[hockeylover]

where do you guys fall in the "hart trophy winners should be on playoff teams" fight? i'd still likely give it to mcdavid because the next guy isn't particularly close but some feel strongly the other way.

 

[Habsy]

I agree, he is a complete cunt.

Enjoy.

Next time don't talk shit about a team that shouldn't be in the same breath as the Oil or Isles. That's fucking insulting.

 

[MindzEye]

These are rationalizations man.

A rationalization is something that isn't accurate. What I said was accurate

1) Only elite teams win cups
2) The Leafs are an elite team
3) Only cups really matter. They are the benchmark of success.

 

[Habsy]

was pretty clear in response to me that he was just looking for a fight, doesn't really matter what the original point was.

It always seems that way to you there darling. Heaven forbid you guys take any credit for instigating.

 

[MindzEye]

Enjoy.

Next time don't talk shit about a team that shouldn't be in the same breath as the Oil or Isles. That's fucking insulting.

Your recent history belongs in that conversation though, absolutely. Mediocre or bad teams that went on a cinderalla run and then doubled down despite the obvious red flags, only leading to immediate pain.

That you find the obvious parallels distasteful is fine and all, you can be grateful that the organization hit a brick wall almost immediately after and didn't drag it out for years like the Isles and Oilers are doing.

 

[Habsy]

A rationalization is something that isn't accurate. What I said was accurate

1) Only elite teams win cups
2) The Leafs are an elite team
3) Only cups really matter. They are the benchmark of success.

What does that have to do with clumping the Habs in with the Oilers and Isles for no reason?

 

[Habsy]

Your recent history belongs in that conversation though, absolutely. Mediocre or bad teams that went on a cinderalla run and then doubled down despite the obvious red flags, only leading to immediate pain.

I'm not talking about just 2 years ago man.

This is stupid that you can't see the Leafs were NOT an elite playoff team. Just regular season.

I was fine until zeke pulled this BS out of his ass then the Leafers circle jerk over an idiocy.

Leafs haven't done anything after April. Zero.

But let's continue to believe they're better than they are.

 

[MindzEye]

What does that have to do with clumping the Habs in with the Oilers and Isles for no reason?

But there's not no reason. The Habs did the exact same thing, they doubled down on weirdo one and done playoff success. The attempt collapsed spectacularly though instead of shuffling along like a zombie for multiple seasons. Which is good in the end.

 

[Preston]

The point isn't even a controversial one and the Habs fit the mold as a better example than every other team out there. Are we supposed to ignore that so that habsy's feelings aren't hurt?