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Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

Short answer - most everyone asked to waive, waives.

And he doesnt actually have to go to vancouver of course. We just need the capspace.
 
zeke said:
Leafs fans do this shit non stop. They convince themselves that all the players we want to keep all want to leave, and the ones we want to leave will never go. And it's literally never the case.


1. Generally players don't refuse to waive NMCs. It's rare that players stay where they aren't wanted. The real question is - why would a player want to stay where he isnt wanted?

2 There's been two types that have ever refused to waive an NMC:

A. Guys who made big sacrfices in money to help their team out.
B. Epic selfish assholes.

Tavares fits neither of those categories.

3. The argument seems to be that Tavares simply HAS to play in Toronto, and will absolutely refuse to move his family anywhere else. Because Toeonto is home.

Except there's one small (read: actually big) problem - he'll only be signed for one more year at that point. What happens when that contract is up? How important is staying in Toronto really?

Will he stay here if we offer him league minimum for his next contract? Or will he choose to DESTROY his home and family by daring to move them somewhere else on his next contract?Hmm. I wonder.

And if he does really want to sign a retirement contract with the leafs on his next one.....do you think screwing a GM that didnt sign him by refusing to waive his nmc to allow his team to use that space to add some elite younger talent is something that would make Brad eager to sign Tavares to that retirement contract? Or would it piss Brad off, cause Tavares to lose any respect he has earned, and force the poor Tavares family into living in some place other than glorious perfect Toronto for the duration of his last contract?

There doesn't seem to be a single actual reason for Tavares to refuse to waive his NMC, to be honest.
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**Puts on psychology of an NHL player cap**

If I’m John Tavares, and the new GM of the Leafs comes to me and tells me that he wants to salary dump my ass to one of the worst teams in the league because that’ll give the team a better chance of winning…I don’t think my thought process would be “well, how can I ingratiate myself to this man so that he might consider bringing me back from exile a couple years down the road?”

I’d be thinking…”Well, shit. The GM doesn’t want me here. I better take full advantage of the remaining opportunity I’ve got to play with this core and win in my hometown. And then if we don’t win, this douchebag’s still running the show once my contract’s up and he doesn’t want me back, I’ll pick the best opportunity of my and my family’s choosing instead of being tossed into whatever dumpster-fire of a team Treebitch picks out for me. And if we do win, I’m likely a Leaf for life.”
 
but what about his poor family that he just can't stand the thought of uprooting them and destroying their lives?
 
zeke said:
but what about his poor family that he just can't stand the thought of uprooting them and destroying their lives?
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Yes, it totally makes logical sense that he’d spare them from that fate by…

**checks notes**

…voluntarily uprooting them from Toronto and moving them on short notice to a city of Brad Treliving’s choosing.
 
MindzEye said:
To be fair (and balanced) because I'm sure you're well aware that I wouldn't wear pants for a week if we were able to move Tavares (especially in some sort of a Petterson deal jeebus)....but has an aging former star player ever waived their NMC from a contender to go play for a non playoff team?
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Even I would make that trade!

This is hilarious. Like the trade is even in the realm of possibility from Vancouver's perspective, before we even get to the issue of Tavares waiving or not. Haha. Zeke.
 
LeafGm said:
Yes, it totally makes logical sense that he’d spare them from that fate by…

**checks notes**

…voluntarily uprooting them from Toronto and moving them on short notice to a city of Brad Treliving’s choosing.
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Definitely makes way way more sense that after his team gave him the biggest UFA contract in league history, he would decide to both screw his team's chances AND screw himself out of any chance at keeping his poor dear family in beloved toronto for the rest of his career by refusing to spend 6 months in another city. All the sense.
 
If they tell him this offseason they have no interest in bringing him back he’d probably waive as a rental. It’s not that crazy.
 
leafman101 said:
If they tell him this offseason they have no interest in bringing him back he’d probably waive as a rental. It’s not that crazy.
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even if they tell him this offseason that they do have interest in bringing him back for his next contract but that his capspace opens up a bunch of immediate opportunties that are great for the team that he is looking to sign a retirement contract with the following year.
 
Then he can tell them to trade Marner, get an incredible return, and then bring him back for his retirement contract in two years.
 
zeke said:
Definitely makes way way more sense that after his team gave him the biggest UFA contract in league history, he would decide to both screw his team's chances AND screw himself out of any chance at keeping his poor dear family in beloved toronto for the rest of his career by refusing to spend 6 months in another city. All the sense.
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Six months? So you’re talking about the Leafs dealing him in the summer of 2024, then? Because Tavares has two years left on his deal including this upcoming season.

Anyway, the guy that gave him the biggest UFA contract in league history isn’t here anymore. And his replacement, plus the boss that hired him, aren’t necessarily guaranteed blessed with ironclad job security at this point.

So a handshake agreement, which isn’t worth much in the world of professional sports at the best of times, would be worth even less in this case. So if I’m Tavares, again, I take my best shot at winning in Toronto in 2023/24 & 2024/25, then let the chips fall where they may after that.

The other thing to consider here is—does Tavares give a shit about winning his first Cup? If we believe he does, why is he going to want to burn one or two of his remaining productive seasons in exile as a salary dump on a bottom-feeder?
 
Yeah we were talking about trading him next year. So 6 months.

But yeah possible Tavares is the most selfish asshole in the league and would screw his team and new gm over by refusing to waive for one measly year, even after getting paid the biggest UFA contract in history, and kill all chance of h signing a retirement contract in apparently the only place in the world he and his family will accept as a place to live.
 
The wild card in the Tavares math is that his kids aren't school age yet, but will be at the end of this contract. Moving them is a lot easier within the next 12 months than any time after that
 
It's amazing the special rules leafs fans convince themselves apply only to their leafs.

They've already forgotten that they spent years convinced that Mathews was leaving.
 
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