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Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

GEEMAN said:
Not really if proper trades are made

Some teams get through the playoffs , some cant .

Leafs had the hopeless Habs and CBJ as opponents and still couldnt advance

Your not getting these gifts handed to you in a normal world , I will give the team a pass on the CBJ series as all teams came back from a 5 month layoff and right into the playoffs.

That top 4 D good luck in the playoffs
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In their defense Sheldon Keefe is an idiot. He made some very stupid decisions that series. Also, the Habs loaded up at deadline with veterans knowing this was Carey's and Shea's last stand and those two played out of their minds. They used every last ounce they had in their beat up bodies.

Plus we cross checked with impunity.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Imagine still hating on and wanting to get rid of a guy who’s top 5 in scoring and been our best player all year.
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Not hating on "a guy". Hating on the core. AM is obviously untouchable. That leaves us with Nylander and Marner and perhaps Rielly. Rielly's contract is good and we can bring up a number one D without sacrificing him, Nylander is a good performer all around and has a NMC. To break up the core, we are left with Marner.
 
Habsy said:
I'd take Marner on the Habs 8 days a week, you're out to lunch.
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Sure, so would I, because the Habs are a team that needs more talent in order to make the playoffs. But the Leafs don't have that problem. With or without Marner they're comfortably at or near the top of the division. He could blow out his knee in training camp and be gone for the season and the Leafs would still be a 100 point team. So what do they need him for? They need him for the playoffs. But he shits on the carpet every year and it is clear in his demeanor that he can't take the heat. He doesn’t merely disappear in big games, he has meltdowns.

So while a Marner would be a tremendous boost to the fortunes of a mediocre team like the Habs, he is an expensive luxury item that the Leafs don't really need. The Leafs should have higher aspirations than merely making the playoffs. They should spend the money they would have wasted on Marner and instead get some players who show up in games that matter.
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The issue becomes the return. You can't trade Marner for anything less than another 100pt guy or a 75+ point minute eating number 1 D.

There aren't many of those.

Maybe you trade him for a first overall in a McKenna type draft but you'll likely lose the trade any other way.
 
CTheBigPicture said:
Not hating on "a guy". Hating on the core. AM is obviously untouchable. That leaves us with Nylander and Marner and perhaps Rielly. Rielly's contract is good and we can bring up a number one D without sacrificing him, Nylander is a good performer all around and has a NMC. To break up the core, we are left with Marner.
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So get rid of star players by process of elimination based on contract situation? And pick the guy who’s a pending UFA who we’ll lose for nothing while he’s torching the league this season? This would be the biggest unforced error in hockey history.
 
Wayward DP said:
pretty sure that is exactly his logic, yes
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The logic is that you have the core 4 (plus Reilly, I guess) You've had what, 7 kicks at the can with this group? And in all that time your only "success" was barely beating Tampa and then getting annihilated by Florida. Otherwise you were consistently losing and even lost to a couple of teams you never should have lost to. So clearly, the core isn't getting you there and instead of running it back for an 8th try, a sane person would say that it's time to try something else.

So who, among that core, do you decide to flip for other assets?

Matthews? Not a chance.
Nylander? Why? He isnt overpaid, he consistently produces and he actually shows up in the playoffs.
Tavares? No one is going to give you anything good for him. He's on the wrong side of 30 and has been a loser his whole career. The Islanders never made the playoffs with him, but went to the ECF the year after he walked.
Reilly? Like Nylander, he isnt overpaid and he's your best defenseman on a team that doesn't have a particularly good blue line.

That leaves Mitchell, the petulant man-child. The player who never elevates, never shows up in games that matter. An elite regular season player on a team that can easily win regular season games without him. He is the obvious choice to trade away for several reasons.

First and foremost, he is overpaid. To spend that much cap space on a player you don't really need in the regular season and who implodes in the post season is a waste. But there are many other teams who DO need a guy like him during the regular season who would pay through the nose for him.

The key to any potential Cup victory for the Leafs lies not in keeping the core together but in breaking them. Marner can do more to help the Leafs win a Cup by being traded than by staying for another 8 years.
 
What kind of return would people have been happy with?

Would a weegar, huberdreau type return have been enough? I don't see a scenario where moving him helps us.

Maybe this offseason if rantanen makes it to free agency spending $$ on him instead of marner would work but if not who makes up for the loss in production?
 
LeafOfFaith said:
So get rid of star players by process of elimination based on contract situation?
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Uh, yeah, pretty much. But even then, it's not just about the contract.

Matthews has a contract that is much harder to get rid of and receive anywhere near equal value for. You can't "win" a Matthews trade.

Nylander's contract isn't ridiculous given his production. If you want to keep Marner, Nylander would be next in line to get you a decent asset(s) in return. But Nylander doesn't disappear in the playoffs like Marner so, for my money, he's actually worth more to his team than Marner.

Your hero Tavares is a washed up has been with next to zero trade value given his age and contract. You may as well hang on to him because you won't get anything in return that will change the playoff math.

Marner is the only logical choice. You can either trade him now or resign him and commit to another 8 years of expensive mediocrity.
 
Habsy said:
In their defense Sheldon Keefe is an idiot. He made some very stupid decisions that series. Also, the Habs loaded up at deadline with veterans knowing this was Carey's and Shea's last stand and those two played out of their minds. They used every last ounce they had in their beat up bodies.

Plus we cross checked with impunity.
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16 and 34 had one fucken goal in 7 games

Dont care how many vets the Habs picked up

They were gift wrapped the semis in the worst division when you only played each other
 
trujaysfan said:
What kind of return would people have been happy with?

Would a weegar, huberdreau type return have been enough? I don't see a scenario where moving him helps us.

Maybe this offseason if rantanen makes it to free agency spending $$ on him instead of marner would work but if not who makes up for the loss in production?
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88 and 16 would have fetched the moon that summer after the Habs playoff mess

Multiple years of cost control and a NMC that didnt kick in

My issue with the Leafs playoff failure is not just losing but never displaying that extra gear to show you belong with other teams for the cup

Still waiting for that come to Jesus moment like CMD , Makar , Nate , etc.....

Poor performances from your core group when you needed them in series deciding games especially games 5-7
 
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