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Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

88 and 16 would have fetched the moon that summer after the Habs playoff mess

Multiple years of cost control and a NMC that didnt kick in

My issue with the Leafs playoff failure is not just losing but never displaying that extra gear to show you belong with other teams for the cup

Still waiting for that come to Jesus moment like CMD , Makar , Nate , etc.....

Poor performances from your core group when you needed them in series deciding games especially games 5-7
This exactly. The very definition of insanity.

The greatest gift to Leafs haters like myself wasnt losing to the Habs in 2021 (although that was great, don't get me wrong) It was that practically NOTHING was done to change things in the aftermath of that colossal failure. Nobody got fired. No one of significance was traded. They just ran it back the following season with the same cast of underachievers, hoping for a different outcome.

The failure in one playoff series wasn't the gift. The gift was the commitment shown to making the failure a permanent feature of the organization going forward. I couldn't have wished for a better outcome.
 
My issue with the Leafs playoff failure is not just losing but never displaying that extra gear to show you belong with other teams for the cup

Still waiting for that come to Jesus moment like CMD , Makar , Nate , etc.....

Poor performances from your core group when you needed them in series deciding games especially games 5-7


I can't argue with that.

They gotta take the game by the nuts and squeeze hard this time around, they simply have to.

it's been far too long since we've seen anything like that from the Leafs in the playoffs.
 
I can't argue with that.

They gotta take the game by the nuts and squeeze hard this time around, they simply have to.

it's been far too long since we've seen anything like that from the Leafs in the playoffs.
And what are the odds that this happens with the same core group that has never done it for the last 7 years?
 
TB also got annihilated in the most embarrassing series (ever?) when CBJ swept them out.

They didn't go trading Kucherov and Hedman because of it. In fact, they kept everyone and kept trying to add.

That's what smart teams do. They don't dump elite players to make rival fanbases happy by validating their dumb feelings. They keep their great players and keep trying to find the right mix of roster, opportunity, and luck.

That's why I've never been on board with trading any of our big guys. After the last chokejob, almost everyone here except maybe three or four of us wanted Marner gone. Now look how reactionary and stupid that would have been given how things are playing out.
 
If I recall correctly people wanted to trade Marner but not for garbage. If value wasn't available then no trade. Context.
Many were good with futures and going shopping with the savings, or getting two dimes and a nickel for a quarter type deals.

Some were even good with letting him walk this year and redeploying the money.

It was kookoo for cocoapuffs time here after the loss, with posts mimicking the lunacy of wehave's latest hate dump today.
 
I can't argue with that.

They gotta take the game by the nuts and squeeze hard this time around, they simply have to.

it's been far too long since we've seen anything like that from the Leafs in the playoffs.
I havent checked any stats but in the last 7 playoff years have any superstars in the caliber of 16 and 34 underperformed as much
 
TB also got annihilated in the most embarrassing series (ever?) when CBJ swept them out.

They didn't go trading Kucherov and Hedman because of it. In fact, they kept everyone and kept trying to add.

That's what smart teams do. They don't dump elite players to make rival fanbases happy by validating their dumb feelings. They keep their great players and keep trying to find the right mix of roster, opportunity, and luck.

That's why I've never been on board with trading any of our big guys. After the last chokejob, almost everyone here except maybe three or four of us wanted Marner gone. Now look how reactionary and stupid that would have been given how things are playing out.
The Bolts kept everyone because the season before Columbus beat them, the Lightning went to the Conference Finals. And in the following 3 seasons they won the Cup twice and lost in the finals. But the Leafs didn't just start humiliating themselves in the first round in the Columbus series. They had already established a pattern of failure which started before and continues to this day.
 
The Bolts kept everyone because the season before Columbus beat them, the Lightning went to the Conference Finals. And in the following 3 seasons they won the Cup twice and lost in the finals. But the Leafs didn't just start humiliating themselves in the first round in the Columbus series. They had already established a pattern of failure which started before and continues to this day.

Leafs have turned over almost the entire roster since the loss to Columbus. Maybe 5-6 players left. Hard to blame the performance of the depth on the 5-6 who stayed (and have mostly played fine but just fine in the playoffs since then)
 
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