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Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
The Bolts kept everyone because the season before Columbus beat them, the Lightning went to the Conference Finals. And in the following 3 seasons they won the Cup twice and lost in the finals. But the Leafs didn't just start humiliating themselves in the first round in the Columbus series. They had already established a pattern of failure which started before and continues to this day.
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If the Leafs make the conference final this year, but fail to advance despite a huge performance from Marner, what does that do to your analysis for next year?

Let Marner walk?
 
The real issue is no one lets players like Marner walk because you can't find anyone to replace them. Look at the mess Nashville, Boston, Seattle created signing UFA's this summer. a 'Meh" 2nd line C and a #5 D will get you Marner's cap hit and you've lost a 2 way 100+ point star.
NHL is not a sport you can lose these guys.

I grew up in the Ballard years. This is not that bad at all. 9th straight year we will make the playoffs.

When kaprizov asks for 15 million per Minnesota will get the contract real fast.
 
JackBurton said:
The real issue is no one lets players like Marner walk because you can't find anyone to replace them. Look at the mess Nashville, Boston, Seattle created signing UFA's this summer. a 'Meh" 2nd line C and a #5 D will get you Marner's cap hit and you've lost a 2 way 100+ point star.
NHL is not a sport you can lose these guys.

I grew up in the Ballard years. This is not that bad at all. 9th straight year we will make the playoffs.

When kaprizov asks for 15 million per Minnesota will get the contract real fast.
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Those contracts dont kill you

The 20 mil on Gallagher , Anderson , Armia and Dvorak types kill your cap

But the league needs shorter contracts in the next CBA , these 8 year deals end in tears most often for aging vets
 
LeafOfFaith said:
If the Leafs make the conference final this year, but fail to advance despite a huge performance from Marner, what does that do to your analysis for next year?

Let Marner walk?
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No. It will definitely change my stands. Now I know they core can deliver and won't fold under pressure, and we focus on reinforcement till it works.

Same question to you: Leafs go out in the first round or maybe lose badly in the 2nd. Marner is bad or at least not very impressive (especially in key games) does that change your analysis? Or are you sticking with the core no matter what?
 
I have to say, as much as I've been calling them the worst first place Leafs team that I can recall, they've started to gel with this particular roster and feel like they turned a corner. For instance, I wasn't really worried for a minute against Boston the other day. They kept tying it, it's Boston at the end of the day, but it just felt like the guys know how to take care of business now. Best record against the best teams is testament to that.

I wouldn't be all that surprised at all if, at the ripe old age of 27, Matty and Marner just figure shit out this year and build the dynasty that I thought would come sooner. Yeah, it's spectacular losing experience, but it's still experience, and these guys have been winners all their lives, so maybe it was unfair to come down hard on them when they couldn't collectively ramp up at age 24, 25, 26. Especially going up against vet teams like Boston, TB, Florida, Washington. It could be that all this shit they've gone through will make them win just as much and as often in the upcoming playoff years as they lost in the previous ones.
 
CTheBigPicture said:
No. It will definitely change my stands. Now I know they core can deliver and won't fold under pressure, and we focus on reinforcement till it works.

Same question to you: Leafs go out in the first round or maybe lose badly in the 2nd. Marner is bad or at least not very impressive (especially in key games) does that change your analysis? Or are you sticking with the core no matter what?
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I've been maybe the most vocal of anyone here about the big guns' performance in elimination games. But I've never entertained trading any of them. I don't think winning a Marner or Nylander trade is possible. It'll never be a one for one for like Draisaitl or McDavid, so it'll either be a one for one for some guy that is in a lower tier who likely won't deliver any better than Marner would, or it'll be a package deal where we'd be getting a few decent players and no real star and just watching those guys wither away while we win nothing.

I'd have to be presented with some offer that's such an obvious ripoff in my favor, or I wouldn't consider or risk it.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I have to say, as much as I've been calling them the worst first place Leafs team that I can recall, they've started to gel with this particular roster and feel like they turned a corner. For instance, I wasn't really worried for a minute against Boston the other day. They kept tying it, it's Boston at the end of the day, but it just felt like the guys know how to take care of business now. Best record against the best teams is testament to that.

I wouldn't be all that surprised at all if, at the ripe old age of 27, Matty and Marner just figure shit out this year and build the dynasty that I thought would come sooner. Yeah, it's spectacular losing experience, but it's still experience, and these guys have been winners all their lives, so maybe it was unfair to come down hard on them when they couldn't collectively ramp up at age 24, 25, 26. Especially going up against vet teams like Boston, TB, Florida, Washington. It could be that all this shit they've gone through will make them win just as much and as often in the upcoming playoff years as they lost in the previous ones.
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Nice to see fans' hopes are getting high again.
 
zeke said:
you have never seen a more negative fanbase of a first place team than leafs nation right now.
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We're foot—slog—slog—slog—sloggin' over Africa —
Foot—foot—foot—foot—sloggin' over Africa —
(Boots—boots—boots—boots—movin' up an' down again!)
There's no discharge in the war!


I think the PTSD has invested every last remaining pore.
 
Sign marner to his 13.5x8 deal and if he sucks then run him out of town in 2 years for several higher end assets... letting him walk to sign 2 middle of the lineup guys is dumb.

If rantanen makes FA he would be the only guy who you could replace 1 for 1 who would be as good.
 
SundinsTooth said:
Ignorant question, but do the annual champs generally have mediocre nerdies, or are they really the cream of the crop?
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Last bunch of SC Finals and their 5v5 xG rank

2024: Florida (5) - Edmonton (2)
2023: Florida (7) - Vegas (13)
2022: Tampa (10) - Colorado (9)
2021: Tampa (6) - Montreal (11)
2020: Tampa (2) - Dallas (8)

So at first glance there's a few teams with fairly mediocre nerdies who made the finals or won. But we're currently 19th in xG with a 49.9 according to Natty, so not even that close to the worst nerdies team listed here, Vegas...who were well above 50% (51.8%) when they were ranked 13th going into the 2023 playoffs.

So to answer your question more directly.....they don't necessarily need to be cream of the crop, but "pretty, pretty good" seems to be a necessity.
 
MindzEye said:
Last bunch of SC Finals and their 5v5 xG rank

2024: Florida (5) - Edmonton (2)
2023: Florida (7) - Vegas (13)
2022: Tampa (10) - Colorado (9)
2021: Tampa (6) - Montreal (11)
2020: Tampa (2) - Dallas (8)

So at first glance there's a few teams with fairly mediocre nerdies who made the finals or won. But we're currently 19th in xG with a 49.9 according to Natty, so not even that close to the worst nerdies team listed here, Vegas...who were well above 50% (51.8%) when they were ranked 13th going into the 2023 playoffs.

So to answer your question more directly.....they don't necessarily need to be cream of the crop, but "pretty, pretty good" seems to be a necessity.
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Habs need back into the Canadian division
 
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