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Miller has shown no remorse for what he's done and that's why he'll never be in the NHL.

Ignoring what they did, if you just compare everything Mailloux did compared to what Miller did, it's night & day. And what Miller did was way fucking worse than what Mailloux did.

There is no "new information". It's the same information as a year & a half ago when it was his draft season. People who followed prospects knew about him and what happened.

The Bruins just saw his play in the USHL and thought there would be some blowback, but that it would eventually die down and people would get over it. In return, they'd get an excellent prospect.
 
GGpX said:
Miller has shown no remorse for what he's done and that's why he'll never be in the NHL.

Ignoring what they did, if you just compare everything Mailloux did compared to what Miller did, it's night & day. And what Miller did was way fucking worse than what Mailloux did.

There is no "new information". It's the same information as a year & a half ago when it was his draft season. People who followed prospects knew about him and what happened.

The Bruins just saw his play in the USHL and thought there would be some blowback, but that it would eventually die down and people would get over it. In return, they'd get an excellent prospect.
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Same thing Arizona thought as well.
 
GGpX said:
Miller has shown no remorse for what he's done and that's why he'll never be in the NHL.

Ignoring what they did, if you just compare everything Mailloux did compared to what Miller did, it's night & day. And what Miller did was way fucking worse than what Mailloux did.

There is no "new information". It's the same information as a year & a half ago when it was his draft season. People who followed prospects knew about him and what happened.

The Bruins just saw his play in the USHL and thought there would be some blowback, but that it would eventually die down and people would get over it. In return, they'd get an excellent prospect.
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That is the part for me. He appears to have no remorse.

I also think the Bruins should be reaching out to the victim and family to apologize for their stupidity.
 
I'm not entirely familiar with the particular's of Miller's case but I did hear that it was in the 8th grade and I've also heard that the abuse went on for years. So are we talking about something that lasted until the 8th grade or started there? Either way we're talking about a 12 year old kid who obviously had garbage, Trumper parents who provided either no guidance and correction or who rewarded him for being an asshole. Either way I don't feel entirely comfortable ending someone's potential career before it starts because of something he did before he even had hair on his balls.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
I'm not entirely familiar with the particular's of Miller's case but I did hear that it was in the 8th grade and I've also heard that the abuse went on for years. So are we talking about something that lasted until the 8th grade or started there? Either way we're talking about a 12 year old kid who obviously had garbage, Trumper parents who provided either no guidance and correction or who rewarded him for being an asshole. Either way I don't feel entirely comfortable ending someone's potential career before it starts because of something he did before he even had hair on his balls.
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Yes. Not entirely comfortable about covers it for me too. And again, I don't know exactly the depth of it.

Brings back a memory for me. I know there were a couple of kids in our town growing up who were considered, using the language of the day, "retarded". I can distinctly recall kids calling them that to their face. Both grew into beloved citizens of the town, one an expert small engine mechanic though he couldn't read, the other a guy who had hidden skills fixing and selling electronic equipment. Some of the name callers I guess matured and did all right,too. While I don't recall , I can't say I wasn't one of them.

Sounds like this case may have been far worse. But I'm always hesitant to pass judgement when I hear of this and similar stuff when kids are involved.....
 
east coast said:
Yes. Not entirely comfortable about covers it for me too. And again, I don't know exactly the depth of it.

Brings back a memory for me. I know there were a couple of kids in our town growing up who were considered, using the language of the day, "retarded". I can distinctly recall kids calling them that to their face. Both grew into beloved citizens of the town, one an expert small engine mechanic though he couldn't read, the other a guy who had hidden skills fixing and selling electronic equipment. Some of the name callers I guess matured and did all right,too. While I don't recall , I can't say I wasn't one of them.

Sounds like this case may have been far worse. But I'm always hesitant to pass judgement when I hear of this and similar stuff when kids are involved.....
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they repeatedly called him the n word, brownie, told him to go pick cotton, and forced him to eat things out of a urinal over many years. was also shown on video surveillance kicking and punching him. the juvenile court magistrate commented that he seemed to have no remorse for his actions, only fear he might face consequences for getting caught. the family said he still has not shown any remorse at 20 and that they've been bullied by the hockey community there.

i don't know why anyone would make excuses for that behaviour, it's pretty sociopathic really.
 
hockeylover said:
they repeatedly called him the n word, brownie, told him to go pick cotton, and forced him to eat things out of a urinal over many years. was also shown on video surveillance kicking and punching him. the juvenile court magistrate commented that he seemed to have no remorse for his actions, only fear he might face consequences for getting caught. the family said he still has not shown any remorse at 20 and that they've been bullied by the hockey community there.

i don't know why anyone would make excuses for that behaviour, it's pretty sociopathic really.
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As I said, I have never looked into the case or claim to have any detailed knowledge of what occurred. Sounds like you have. I'm not excusing; rather I'm expressing my reluctance to judge or pass a life sentence based on my knowledge.
 
A bit unrelated to this specific case I suppose, but I was just thinking about how society and its tolerance for certain types of behaviour , specifically hazing, may have changed. In the 1970s , I recall being one of the freshmen university students living in residence that were stripped to our underwear during "frosh week" , paraded over to the square in front of the female residences, who then proceeded to cover us with tons of various goo-shaving cream, eggs, overripe tomatoes, etc. including slipping it into our underwear. I recall the next year watching as each stall in the bathroom was filled with a freshman's head, in a series of "royal flushes" (I believe the bowls were empty at least, but can't swear to it).

I know this stuff went on for generations after, and maybe still does......many of you no doubt have similar stories. Or maybe it is no longer tolerated. But it didn't feel like bullying, or traumatizing. Rather it felt like a rite of passage. Maybe because none of it was personal. We were basically unknowns, nameless, whose only transgression was being a "frosh". And when the week was over, that was it.

Being bullied, as in the Miller or similar cases, is a totally different event obviously.
 
east coast said:
A bit unrelated to this specific case I suppose, but I was just thinking about how society and its tolerance for certain types of behaviour , specifically hazing, may have changed. In the 1970s , I recall being one of the freshmen university students living in residence that were stripped to our underwear during "frosh week" , paraded over to the square in front of the female residences, who then proceeded to cover us with tons of various goo-shaving cream, eggs, overripe tomatoes, etc. including slipping it into our underwear. I recall the next year watching as each stall in the bathroom was filled with a freshman's head, in a series of "royal flushes" (I believe the bowls were empty at least, but can't swear to it).

I know this stuff went on for generations after, and maybe still does......many of you no doubt have similar stories. Or maybe it is no longer tolerated. But it didn't feel like bullying, or traumatizing. Rather it felt like a rite of passage. Maybe because none of it was personal. We were basically unknowns, nameless, whose only transgression was being a "frosh". And when the week was over, that was it.

Being bullied, as in the Miller or similar cases, is a totally different event obviously.
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My high school used to haze the freshmen (or "minor niners" as they were called - 9th graders) The school put a stop to it the very year that I started 9th grade so I was among the first students who were not hazed. I assume that things started out fun but over time devolved into more creative methods of abuse, culminating in someone in authority deciding to do something about it before the cops had to become involved. In college, I joined a fraternity and chose one with a stated no hazing policy. There was still a little hazing, but nothing like the horror stories you hear about in the news.

What this Miller kid was doing wasn't hazing because it was apropos of nothing. It wasn't some rite of passage for the victim, it was abuse for its own sake. Like Republicans, the cruelty was the point. Apparently and from what I could glean, this abuse began when the kid was in Grade 1 and continued almost unabated until the 8th grade when the bully was finally outed and consequences ensued. But while this kid is obviously a little shit, I'm still somewhat reluctant to ruin his life over things he did between the ages of 6 and 14 when he was supposedly under some kind of parental (and school) supervision. It's really his parents who should feel the full force of everyone's wrath and they seem to come right out of central casting. The mother, when confronted with the allegations, replied something along the lines of "boys will be boys" and "do you have any idea how good my son is at hockey?" In other words, tell me you're a Trump supporter without saying it.

Do we really want to punish a kid for the kind of behavior that his parents should have corrected? Do we want to punish him for having shit parents? I liken it to kids in Germany who were so young when Hitler came to power that they never knew what life was like before. Of course these kids were the most rabid Nazis because they had no frame of reference and had been put through state-run indoctrination from the time they were old enough to read. How could this Miller kid know that what he was doing was truly wrong when his own parents condoned his actions. Isn't some measure of perspective required here? Pretty much every 14 year old I knew back when I was 14 engaged in lots of similar shit (even younger than 14 in many cases) We all used terms like "faggot" and "retard" and watching bullies beating up on weaker kids at recess was a daily occurrence. One of my 6th grade classmates, a girl, stuffed someone into a locker and put the lock on. The principal, a short middle aged Polish immigrant, went full Eastern European on her. He reamed her out in front of our entire class, reducing her to tears and traumatizing her probably worse than she traumatized the kid in the locker.

I'm sure that one or two of those kids grew up and maybe went to jail but the vast majority of the kids who participated or looked the other way while shit like this was going on grew up to be normal, contributing members of society. We didn't have smartphones of course, but we also had parents who for the most part pumped the brakes on our behavior and we smartened up and matured. If someone had passed judgement on our entire futures based solely on what we did and said from Grade 1 to Grade 8 there would be a lot of wasted potential there. I don't know, but I'd like to think that a kid this young can somehow be redeemed and have a career in hockey. Surely there must be a path he can be shown that he can work toward following before we just cancel him.
 
No one is excusing what this kid did but it’s not Ray Lewis level, is it? I doubt anyone in Bruins management is getting fired. They screwed up and then they corrected their error. Move on.
 
east coast said:
As I said, I have never looked into the case or claim to have any detailed knowledge of what occurred. Sounds like you have. I'm not excusing; rather I'm expressing my reluctance to judge or pass a life sentence based on my knowledge.
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Completely fair however one's personal experiences do not apply as each case is always different. This guy wasn't raised properly. Piece of shit parents tend to raise piece of shit children, or seriously fuck them up for life.

How he wasn't set straight is beyond me. Unacceptable behavior. I saw that shit in the 70s. It's 50 years later FFS.
 
Habsy said:
Completely fair however one's personal experiences do not apply as each case is always different. This guy wasn't raised properly. Piece of shit parents tend to raise piece of shit children, or seriously fuck them up for life.

How he wasn't set straight is beyond me. Unacceptable behavior. I saw that shit in the 70s. It's 50 years later FFS.
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But the point is that nobody did set him straight. Ever. Not his parents, obviously, but also the school he attended. Where the fuck were those people? Was his hockey playing prowess such that he was given a free pass by everyone? But at the end of the day we are talking about a kid who started behaving like a little shit in Grade 1. That's a 5 or 6 year old. Someone needed to be in charge of that kid. He isn't personally responsible for the things he did and said at that age. He wasn't properly parented nor properly educated about how to behave in the world and it's not on him to own that. Adults are to blame here.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
But the point is that nobody did set him straight. Ever. Not his parents, obviously, but also the school he attended. Where the fuck were those people? Was his hockey playing prowess such that he was given a free pass by everyone? But at the end of the day we are talking about a kid who started behaving like a little shit in Grade 1. That's a 5 or 6 year old. Someone needed to be in charge of that kid. He isn't personally responsible for the things he did and said at that age. He wasn't properly parented nor properly educated about how to behave in the world and it's not on him to own that. Adults are to blame here.
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Or he was a conniving pos that was good at doing it discretely for a long time.
 
Habsy said:
As a private entity though the league has a right to set it's own definition of moral standards. As hypocritical as they may be.
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Definitely. At the end of the day this kid is not their problem to fix and they don't need to volunteer to accept him as their problem to fix. They simply have to do the math of how much their brand will suffer (which is pretty much guaranteed if they say yes to him) versus the possible benefits (which are far from guaranteed and would only come, if they ever do, down the road after a lot of harm had already been done to the brand)
 
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