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He didn't fuck up as bad as Pierre Doirion did when he gave Travis Hamonic a 2 year deal @ $1.1M with a NMC. Can't send him to the minors and because you can't send him to the minors, they had to cut their former first round pick Lassi Thomson, who Anaheim was more than happy to pick up, and they're still unable to sign Shane Pinto.

Now Dorion's probably going to have to figure which team will take Pierre-Olivier Joseph's contract sweetened with a first or second round pick.
 
GGpX said:
He didn't fuck up as bad as Pierre Doirion did when he gave Travis Hamonic a 2 year deal @ $1.1M with a NMC. Can't send him to the minors and because you can't send him to the minors, they had to cut their former first round pick Lassi Thomson, who Anaheim was more than happy to pick up, and they're still unable to sign Shane Pinto.

Now Dorion's probably going to have to figure which team will take Pierre-Olivier Joseph's contract sweetened with a first or second round pick.
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The Terry deal fucked up the rest of the potential star contracts that affect your cap way more than the Homonic deal

Lassi is that typical Euro tweener D that was bypassed by other prospects in the system

Was Tarasenko that big a priority for 1 year at 5 mil ?

Why bother with Hamonic with Teven and Docker ready to play ?
 
Thomson might suck and won't pan out, that's fine, c'est la vie. Most mid to late first round picks don't pan out, add him to the long list.

What's unacceptable is losing him for nothing because you gave an unmovable contract to Travis Hamonic and can't get rid of Pierre-Olivier Joseph. People used to say that Ottawa acquiring Hamonic had Pierre McGuire's fingerprints all over it, but I'm not so sure about that because after he was fired , Ottawa decided to re-sign Hamonic.

Tarasenko's fine. Ottawa's done rebuilding and they're trying to win now. Tarasenko is good for 25 goals, give or take.
 
GGpX said:
Thomson might suck and won't pan out, that's fine, c'est la vie. Most mid to late first round picks don't pan out, add him to the long list.

What's unacceptable is losing him for nothing because you gave an unmovable contract to Travis Hamonic and can't get rid of Pierre-Olivier Joseph. People used to say that Ottawa acquiring Hamonic had Pierre McGuire's fingerprints all over it, but I'm not so sure about that because after he was fired , Ottawa decided to re-sign Hamonic.

Tarasenko's fine. Ottawa's done rebuilding and they're trying to win now. Tarasenko is good for 25 goals, give or take.
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You got them mixed up, Pierre Olivier is with the Pens, Mathieu is a sens forward.
 
Looks like the Bruins found another gem in the 2nd round of the draft - Matthew Poitras. How come our scouts don't seem capable of this? Anyone?
 
Krustchev said:
Not being able to find any talented, high scoring forwards after the first round for the last 40 years can't just be bad luck, I'm sorry.
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Oh yes it can be.

When they're a very scarce resource, when there's very limited information available to you about the players at 18, and when there's 31 other organizations trying to figure a way?

The draft is much more driven by luck than it is by actual talent evaluation because no team, no matter how good they are, is able to replicate what they accomplish over scale. It's always in short bursts. If it wasn't about luck, why did Tampa Bay suddenly forget how to draft in the last 5 years?
 
Krustchev said:
Looks like the Bruins found another gem in the 2nd round of the draft - Matthew Poitras. How come our scouts don't seem capable of this? Anyone?
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People were worried about his lack of size/durability
 
GrandWazoo said:
Player development matters as much as draft luck, and we've been terrible at both. Drafting for high risk/high reward is also a strategy, can't be lucky with safe picks.
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Define “development” - Habs had the GOAT in Claude Ruel, yet he couldn’t magically turn Alfie Turcotte, Lindsay Vallis, Brad Brown, Turner Stevenson etc into regular NHLers let alone 1st line fwd / 1st pairing Dman for any period of time they were projected to be…

Now if development is fine tuning, to get that extra 1/10 of a second for example, yes that’s definitely doable but if there was this magic potion of player development many teams would be turning chicken s*it into McDavid …

IMO too many people confuse “maturation process” of life with player development. There are early bloomers and late bloomers - but without extreme hunger / drive there will be no success.

Players who don’t develop in the end lack that elite level of hunger..
 
Krustchev said:
Not being able to find any talented, high scoring forwards after the first round for the last 40 years can't just be bad luck, I'm sorry.
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You're right. Something other than luck has been involved. Year after year, on this board, when the draft reaches the late first round and second and third rounds, many of us here point out players still available that we feel would make good choices. Often we favour players who are not obvious first rounders because of various weaknesses, but who nevertheless show creative elements, goal scoring ability, or other offensively-based attributes. Most don't make it, some do. -the Marchands, Bergerons, Jason Robertsons etc.

But it seems to me we inevitably draft the big defencemen, or the solid two way types at that point. We don't draft the Marchands, Bergerons, Jason Robertsons etc. Poitras may be another.

Let's hope the selection of Reinbacher over Michkov or others is not a continuation of that way of thinking,at a much higher point in the draft, and that we turn out to be quite impressed with the pick.
 
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Ruel’s Habs put their young ones in the best position to succeed. The rest was on the players

I feel like Habs GMs have been guilty of rushing too many guys in the hope early returns will make them look good
 
CH1 said:
Ruel’s Habs put their young ones in the best position to succeed. The rest was on the players

I feel like Habs GMs have been guilty of rushing too many guys in the hope early returns will make them look good
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During Gainey’s time as GM, I clearly recall Count posting multiple times, asking why do Habs have to be the one org that leaves kids in the AHL instead of bringing them up at 19/20 “like other teams always do”….

The Habs have traditionally never let young players on the NHL roster…that’s a recent occurrence driven league wide as a means to meet cap requirements combined w squeezing out of middle class players
 
Nah. It’s not a cap requirement. There are tons of minimum wage vets or AAAA dudes who can serviceably occupy bottom line positions while the kids earn their stripes
 
Sal_Butera said:
During Gainey’s time as GM, I clearly recall Count posting multiple times, asking why do Habs have to be the one org that leaves kids in the AHL instead of bringing them up at 19/20 “like other teams always do”….

The Habs have traditionally never let young players on the NHL roster…that’s a recent occurrence driven league wide as a means to meet cap requirements combined w squeezing out of middle class players
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I particularly loved losing Hainsey to play Bouillon and Christian Laflamme
 
The Habs lost Hainsey, Beauchemin and Robidas for reasons I never understood
 
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