He also probably, like 99.99 percent, only got in there because of hockey.
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GGpX
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I have a hard time believing that hiring hockey people is this difficult for certain teams... Unless it's the owner who keeps meddling.
I think the job in Buffalo & Detroit must be inconceivably difficult when there's probably an owner/ownership group that's constantly meddling.
The problem, though, is that we'll never know to what extent the owners meddle.
I think the job in Buffalo & Detroit must be inconceivably difficult when there's probably an owner/ownership group that's constantly meddling.
The problem, though, is that we'll never know to what extent the owners meddle.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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And his idol growing up was apparently Nuge, on who's line he might play next season.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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McLeod was scratched a few times in the playoffs. He's big and fast but he doesn't like to hit and during the Cup run he shied away from contact too many times. He should have been a factor but was invisible.
Habsy
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In Buffalo it's Mrs. Pegula.
Sal_Butera
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As Gord Miller’s been saying for a few years - Edm scouts were split between Forsberg & Murray leading up to 2012 draft, but didn’t want anything to do with Yakupov.
When Katz asked what their draft decision was they mentioned having narrowed it down to two…. Katz then ordered Yakupov be 1OA selection.
Holland made it clear he would only accept GM job if he had unequivocal final say in hockey ops matters… only when Katz relented did he accept
Ownership, albeit an important one is but one of many variables. Sens apparently skipped Buium because of concerns American kids would want out after a few years in a small Cdn market - having experienced recent issues w Tkachuk et al
The there’s Ana, call it little ball of hate hockey philosophy factor:
I’m convinced their 3OA selection came down to Sennecke vs Saliyev, and likely took the approach if they could move up their other 1st rounder: Sennecke + Solberg > Saliyev
I’m convinced Demigod wasn’t even in the mix, since he simply isn’t a Verbeek type player (fortunately for Habs)
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Yzerman is fine and and took a 47 point team to game 82 of a playoff run in 4 years
I dont see ownership meddling even though they pick up a vet or 2 too many
Like I said before common sense is half your battle managing a team
FFS when your handed 2 top players in the game , thats a better head start than most GM`s
GGpX
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Come on, even you don't believe any of what you wrote.
Detroit screams meddling from an owner that wants to make the playoffs ASAP.
They didn't just sign "a vet or two too many", virtually 75% their team are free agent signings or trade away players they got for almost nothing.
Larkin, Rasmussen, Raymond, Veleno, Seider. Those are literally the only five players drafted on their roster and Yzerman's been there for five full years. And two of those players (Larkin & Veleno) were draft a year before Yzerman got there.
And it's not like they've got some blue chip prospects left and right either. A bunch of "alright" prospects with NHL future, sure, but let's not go crazy. They don't have a single prospect on the level of Demidov and I'd argue Reinbacher would instantly become their #1 prospect if he was their property. I'd argue our best goalie prospect is better than their best goalie prospect, too. I'd take Fowler before Augustine, that's for sure.
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Habsy
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Sal_Butera
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Nope - apparently Christopher Illitch is totally Tigers focused and handed the keys to the kingdom over to Stevie Y - as opposed to old man Mike who was a diehard hockey aficionado
I get many here anointed Stevie Y a genius GM, but as I said when he signed on w Det, let’s see how he does without the no state tax leverage position let alone being handed two generational talents …. Looks like jury’s out, he’s a run of the mill GM
Lucky for Stevie Y he had a corporate gig at NHL HQ and got inside info on upcoming lawsuits and got a jump on the league moving to skill + Al Murray’s position in Hockey Canada getting an early glimpse at Point & Cirelli, after being shitcanned by LAK for being an incompetent chief scout … notice the constant top-10 TBay busts
Luck makes 95% of GMs look smart
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GGpX
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Shit, I forgot: Rasmussen was drafted before Yzerman got there. So only two prospects he's drafted have established themselves in the NHL. Even worse.
Yzerman's two years in Detroit started off really well.
Seider 6th in 2019. He was ranked in the teens by almost everyone and it was universally seen as a massive reach, but fast forward to today, only player from 7 to 31 that you might take over Seider is Boldy. So an A+ grade, even if it's a one player draft.
Raymond 4th in 2020. Another cornerstone player with Seider in what will probably end up as a single player draft. Still, A+.
2021 to now, though... A complete disaster.
Simon Edvinsson 6th, Sebastian Cossa 15th in 2021. We'll see how Buium & Mazur turn out, but these aren't future stars. Not a good draft.
Marco Kasper 8th in 2022, good prospect. Not much else after him, though.
Nate Danielson 9th in 2023 should be a fireable offense. Axel Sandin-Pelliuka 15th, TBD. I've lost faith in smaller European d-men in recent years. Augustine 41st & Gibson 42nd, cool. There's a good chance 2-3 of those guys make the NHL, but I doubt they'll have much of an impact.
Michael Brandsegg-Nygard 15th in 2024, I mean... If he makes it, he's a third line grinder like Joel Armia. Who gives a fuck? Rest of the draft is way too early to tell.
I don't know how anyone can make any kind of compelling case that Yzerman's tenure in Detroit has been anything other than a disaster. They're literally - no exaggeration - back at the same spot they were when Yzerman took over. A team with no prospects, filled with veterans, stuck in the middle going nowhere. They had a young Larkin in 2019, now they have a young Seider/Raymond in 2024.
If you want to make an argument one way or the other on where Detroit is in the hierarchy of the NHL in regards to whether they're trying to be contenders or rebuilders, you can't make a good argument in either direction. They're a team built to win now, but there's a clear lack of talent on the team? But on the flip side, if they're still rebuilding, they don't have a ton of great prospects coming up & they haven't accumulated much of anything in terms of draft picks in the next few drafts?
Yzerman's two years in Detroit started off really well.
Seider 6th in 2019. He was ranked in the teens by almost everyone and it was universally seen as a massive reach, but fast forward to today, only player from 7 to 31 that you might take over Seider is Boldy. So an A+ grade, even if it's a one player draft.
Raymond 4th in 2020. Another cornerstone player with Seider in what will probably end up as a single player draft. Still, A+.
2021 to now, though... A complete disaster.
Simon Edvinsson 6th, Sebastian Cossa 15th in 2021. We'll see how Buium & Mazur turn out, but these aren't future stars. Not a good draft.
Marco Kasper 8th in 2022, good prospect. Not much else after him, though.
Nate Danielson 9th in 2023 should be a fireable offense. Axel Sandin-Pelliuka 15th, TBD. I've lost faith in smaller European d-men in recent years. Augustine 41st & Gibson 42nd, cool. There's a good chance 2-3 of those guys make the NHL, but I doubt they'll have much of an impact.
Michael Brandsegg-Nygard 15th in 2024, I mean... If he makes it, he's a third line grinder like Joel Armia. Who gives a fuck? Rest of the draft is way too early to tell.
I don't know how anyone can make any kind of compelling case that Yzerman's tenure in Detroit has been anything other than a disaster. They're literally - no exaggeration - back at the same spot they were when Yzerman took over. A team with no prospects, filled with veterans, stuck in the middle going nowhere. They had a young Larkin in 2019, now they have a young Seider/Raymond in 2024.
If you want to make an argument one way or the other on where Detroit is in the hierarchy of the NHL in regards to whether they're trying to be contenders or rebuilders, you can't make a good argument in either direction. They're a team built to win now, but there's a clear lack of talent on the team? But on the flip side, if they're still rebuilding, they don't have a ton of great prospects coming up & they haven't accumulated much of anything in terms of draft picks in the next few drafts?
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Sal_Butera
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How good would Yzerman’s draft history in TBay look without Al Murray’s luck factor of having followed Point & Cirelli from their early teens and being named chief scout of Lightnight just a couple of years before they became draft eligible?
GGpX
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When you depend on a formula that has never been replicated at scale by anyone in NHL history to build a team? Good luck, 'cuz you're going to need it.
Tampa Bay was able to pull it off for a little while, but look at their drafting history in he past decade. From 2015 to 2024, they've drafted a total of one impact player: Anthony Cirelli in 2015.
After that? Nothing. The only players of note is Ross Colton and then, Howden/Katchouk/Raddysh/Perbix/Foote are all fringe NHLers with only Perbix remaining on the team.
Depending on mid-round picks to become notable NHL players has never worked for anyone consistently. It's why teams tank. The most reliable way to get young talent with cost certainty for a decade or more is in the lottery, unfortunately.
Tampa Bay was able to pull it off for a little while, but look at their drafting history in he past decade. From 2015 to 2024, they've drafted a total of one impact player: Anthony Cirelli in 2015.
After that? Nothing. The only players of note is Ross Colton and then, Howden/Katchouk/Raddysh/Perbix/Foote are all fringe NHLers with only Perbix remaining on the team.
Depending on mid-round picks to become notable NHL players has never worked for anyone consistently. It's why teams tank. The most reliable way to get young talent with cost certainty for a decade or more is in the lottery, unfortunately.
GGpX
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Has nothing to do with Detroit
He has done more in barely 5 years than other regimes and had to take over a tear down from Holland