worm
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Price and halak 2.0
Habs Season Thread: 2024-25 Regular Season
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how long until Cartman plays for us?
Boisvert probably listed him as borderline ECHL
These are all opinions , means fuck all until a team develops them
worm
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Neither can any single person rating prospects for public consumption. Of course Timmins does have an NHL job so things are not always so black and white
worm
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The draft is largely luck imo. Even the good teams at drafting screw up (2015 bruins).I don't believe anyone's take on players, especially my own
I always want the guy we didn't take so I can say 5 yrs later, see told youI don't believe anyone's take on players, especially my own
GGpX
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You & Sal like to play this silly game, but you both know why.
The NHL has always been a big ol' boys club and if you don't know the right people, you ain't getting in.
Habsy
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Horseshit. That applies to about 10 clubs these days. I know someone with the Panthers that knew nobody and got in with amateur scouting. Stop with the excuses. The likely reason is he's a prick at times with his opinions.
Protecting your boy...
GGpX
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Hoh boy. You sure about that? Like, are you really sure about that? The facts aren't on your side.
Excluding every other team in the NHL and every other organization at every other level in hockey, let's just look at the local club, shall we?
Did Martin St. Louis get hired because he was the best candidate? Or because he knew the right people?
Did Stéphane Robidas get hired because he was the best candidate? Or because he knew the right people?
How about Vincent Lecavalier? How about Alex Burrows? How about Paul Byron? How about Francis Bouillon? How about Larry Carrière getting his son hired (Just a coincidence, I'm sure)? At least he had some prior coaching/management experience prior to getting hired.
How about Lauri Korpikoski? How about Teddy Purcell and the literal hundreds of players who are done playing and get a scouting job from one of their buddies? Oh, and I'll give you two guesses as to who Teddy Purcell's former agent was. Again, I'm sure it's just a coincidence and Teddy was hired purely on the merits of his talents evaluating hockey players.
Speaking of former players getting pro scouting gigs, hello Martin Lapointe.
Excluding Larry Carrière having over a decade of coaching experience in the NCAA, Robidas getting a gig in Toronto the second his contract was over (again, just a coincidence, nothing more) and St. Louis being a PP coach in Columbus for half a year (I'm sure Torts being his former coach had no impact on the selection) & coaching teenagers, all the people I listed above were hired with zero coaching or management experience.
Every single one of them got a job because they knew the right people.
Feel free to do this exercise with every single team in the NHL and the results will be nearly identical.
You can continue playing your silly game if you want.
GGpX
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You make a dumb claim, get immediately proven wrong, then make no actual attempt to defend said claim. You being silly is quite the understatement.
Feel free to do the exercise with literally every single team in the NHL. Plenty of people who got hired because of the people they knew and not their competences.
The NHL has always been the old boys club.
"but but you defend your boy.", not really. I'm just stating facts.
Feel free to do the exercise with literally every single team in the NHL. Plenty of people who got hired because of the people they knew and not their competences.
The NHL has always been the old boys club.
"but but you defend your boy.", not really. I'm just stating facts.
Sal_Butera
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Eric Tulsky “knew” no one in hockey circles - he was a chemistry data scientist who thought he could try to use some of his methodologies is some sport called hockey and started a website…
Ron Francis decided to give him a shot as analytics contractor for Canes. Dundon coming from finance world believed heavily in analytics and promoted Tulsky from peon to last say on hockey Ops related work (scouting, contracts, trades) despite Wadell having the official GM title after canning Francis
Its clearly a clique of who you know and regimes are more comfortable those hires in hockey opps.
I can see guys like Brisebois employed in legal affairs or Anthopolous in MLB or Tulsky the brilliant mind moving up the ranks without being handed gigs by buddies...but they are rare .
GGpX
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So what you're saying is, for every one Eric Tulsky, there's ten Teddy Purcell, Martin Lapointe, Paul Byron & Francis Bouillon types? The former players that gets a job when they're done playing without any actual qualifications? As opposed to an Eric Tulsky or Tyler Dellow that have spent ten or more years thoroughly analyzing hockey through analytics?
Thanks for playing.
GrandWazoo
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There is a path, a difficult one, for outsiders to make their work into the hockey world, but you have to put in the work, as for the most part, it is a boys club and more about connection and familiarity than actual skill.
I don't think Boisvert actually put in the necessary work to try to make it. He got known by commenting on a blog in La Presse and Brunet took a liking to him and actually introduced him to the Cap Breton GM that gave him a part time gig. It didn't last very long. Other than that his work has mostly been podcast appearances, hardly worthy of impressing NHL GMs. Plus he's like a local "celebrity" in Quebec, so I don't think his exposure is that great.
Had he really wanted an NHL gig, he would have put in the work and find a way to get himself known to people in charge, work his way up the rank of minor hockey or something, but it seems like it's more of a hobby for him than an actual career path.
I don't think Boisvert actually put in the necessary work to try to make it. He got known by commenting on a blog in La Presse and Brunet took a liking to him and actually introduced him to the Cap Breton GM that gave him a part time gig. It didn't last very long. Other than that his work has mostly been podcast appearances, hardly worthy of impressing NHL GMs. Plus he's like a local "celebrity" in Quebec, so I don't think his exposure is that great.
Had he really wanted an NHL gig, he would have put in the work and find a way to get himself known to people in charge, work his way up the rank of minor hockey or something, but it seems like it's more of a hobby for him than an actual career path.
GrandWazoo
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Brisebois was working on on NHL and MLB arbitration cases through his firm, so that got him some exposure. Tulsky did his work in hockey analytics and fetched a few NHL consulting gigs before getting hired by Carolina. Teams are just not going to offer you jobs out of nowhere unless they know you in one way or another.