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Leafs' Prospect/Marlies Discussion Thread!

2017: Liljegren, Rasanen, Scott, Kara, Gordeev, McGregor, O'Connell
2016: Matthews, Korshkov, Grundstrom, Woll, Greenway, Brooks, Middleton, Bobylev, Walker, Mattinen, Chebykin

Most of these guys never had a shot or any hope.
 
hockeylover said:
2017: Liljegren, Rasanen, Scott, Kara, Gordeev, McGregor, O'Connell
2016: Matthews, Korshkov, Grundstrom, Woll, Greenway, Brooks, Middleton, Bobylev, Walker, Mattinen, Chebykin

Most of these guys never had a shot or any hope.
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too bad, potential trading chips for deadlines this year and next would have been available if we drafted better :(
 
hockeylover said:
2017: Liljegren, Rasanen, Scott, Kara, Gordeev, McGregor, O'Connell
2016: Matthews, Korshkov, Grundstrom, Woll, Greenway, Brooks, Middleton, Bobylev, Walker, Mattinen, Chebykin

Most of these guys never had a shot or any hope.
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I sincerely hope that whoever Hunter had scouting for him over in Russia has since been turfed by Dubas. Every single one of those guys (including the “free wallets”) has amounted to absolutely nothing.

And so many of the CHL picks obviously from the day we drafted them had ceilings as big, truculent depth players.
 
LeafGm said:
I sincerely hope that whoever Hunter had scouting for him over in Russia has since been turfed by Dubas. Every single one of those guys (including the “free wallets”) has amounted to absolutely nothing.
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it's the possible the scouts were good....all they can do is deliver what the GM puts on his shopping list (big, truculent, etc)
 
CH1 said:
it's the possible the scouts were good....all they can do is deliver what the GM puts on his shopping list (big, truculent, etc)
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They did draft a mix of Russians. Some of them huge, and some of them small and seemingly skilled.

The one common denominator is that they’re all useless.
 
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LeafGm said:
I sincerely hope that whoever Hunter had scouting for him over in Russia has since been turfed by Dubas. Every single one of those guys (including the “free wallets”) has amounted to absolutely nothing.

And so many of the CHL picks obviously from the day we drafted them had ceilings as big, truculent depth players.
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Looks like they hired new Russian, European, and OHL scouts in 2018. Then in 2019 they did that blind audition for scouts where tapes of prospects were sent out and candidates submitted anonymous scouting reports resulting in us hiring Noelle Needham (and I'm guessing others) as a midwest scout.
 
hockeylover said:
2017: Liljegren, Rasanen, Scott, Kara, Gordeev, McGregor, O'Connell
2016: Matthews, Korshkov, Grundstrom, Woll, Greenway, Brooks, Middleton, Bobylev, Walker, Mattinen, Chebykin

Most of these guys never had a shot or any hope.
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That's the worst part. All of your picks aren't going to hit, but when you make a bunch of picks and the players stagnate or don't improve in their first two post draft seasons...like, at all, that's just terrible drafting. Most of the names in your post simply didn't improve as hockey players post draft, or were so bad at the time they were drafted that even improving in junior left them unable to stick at any pro level. Rasanen, Gordeev, Kara, McGregor, O'Connell..have barely scraped 100 professional games (AHL + top euro leagues) between them ffs.

That's one of the worst draft classes I've ever seen. Even some POS draft classes we've had (2010, 2011) had the vast majority of our picks develop into career professional hockey players. Not NHL calibre players for the most part (Leivo & McKegg the only real NHL'ers of the bunch) but almost every single pick played 5-10 years of real professional hockey.

2016 (sans the obvious) was bad too, but turned out another NHL'er (maybe 2, Brooks still has a shot imo) and a few other guys who look like career pros below the NHL level. 2017 though, woof.
 
You can break down that play to show how much he has come along as a prospect. The last 10 seconds he reads the play well. Anticipates a potential turnover due to 3 Heat players barring down on the puck holder so he steps back instead of waiting for a cross ice pass, but stays close enough to jump back in when they maintain possession, makes a great pass between 3 players to set himself up for a one timer.

Like Mindz said, his edge work is good but he also seems to improved his one ice awareness. He has made leaps and bounds from early days of the draft
 
MindzEye said:
That's the worst part. All of your picks aren't going to hit, but when you make a bunch of picks and the players stagnate or don't improve in their first two post draft seasons...like, at all, that's just terrible drafting. Most of the names in your post simply didn't improve as hockey players post draft, or were so bad at the time they were drafted that even improving in junior left them unable to stick at any pro level. Rasanen, Gordeev, Kara, McGregor, O'Connell..have barely scraped 100 professional games (AHL + top euro leagues) between them ffs.

That's one of the worst draft classes I've ever seen. Even some POS draft classes we've had (2010, 2011) had the vast majority of our picks develop into career professional hockey players. Not NHL calibre players for the most part (Leivo & McKegg the only real NHL'ers of the bunch) but almost every single pick played 5-10 years of real professional hockey.

2016 (sans the obvious) was bad too, but turned out another NHL'er (maybe 2, Brooks still has a shot imo) and a few other guys who look like career pros below the NHL level. 2017 though, woof.
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Honestly have *some* glimmer of hope or positivity for every single prospect we took in 2019 and at least 8 in 2020.
 
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