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Per 10k kinda biases things. Yeah, it’s poor efficiency in one sense, but Winnipeg, London etc. are puny compared to CDM, LA, etc. so what does that mean for average commuting time in a 24 hour day?

Toronto and Montreal on the other hand…
 
mbow30 said:
Well there’s clearly a more efficient way than what we’re doing here.
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Yes, invest in, and get people into transit.

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You have to make transit less awful for all of the people commuting as well. Nothing I hate more than a 7am go train ride for 50 min that's jam packed and 35 degrees.

You don't need train wifi... faster trains (or more express trains), proper air circulation etc.

When I have to go to an office I drive to mississauga because no other way to get to mississauga, instead of taking the train downtown.
 
Those plexiglass dividers on the go trains they put up during Covid were amazing. Forced your fellow commuter to keep their fat elbows and their bad breath on their own side of the arm rest. Then they ditched them. Why?
 
trujaysfan said:
You have to make transit less awful for all of the people commuting as well. Nothing I hate more than a 7am go train ride for 50 min that's jam packed and 35 degrees.
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Absolutely. I'm not saying that it should just be expected that people ride awful transit because the alternative is sitting in world class traffic congestion. The idea is to make non road network transit comfortable and fast, this takes pressure off of the road network, which then creates knock on benefits for bus transit (it's stuck on the same slow road network the cars are) and yeah, passenger vehicles.

More frequency, better rolling stock (yeah, air conditioning is a must...wifi in 2024 also a must tbh), get grade seperated crossings so that speeds can be maintained within the city, etc.
 
trujaysfan said:
With Go transit you still need a car because each suburb has such poor transit that getting to a station by any other means takes longer than the go ride.
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To add to this:

If you live in the burbs and work downtown you have the choice of:

Not owning a car and having a 1-1.75 hiur commute each way

Owning a car and driving it to a station and then paying to sit in a less than great environment for an additional 30-60 minutes. If you have any surprise or last min meetings come up you can then uber to that meeting and back.

Own a car and leave a bit earlier and drive downtown, slightly more expensive but you're comfortable and agile for last minute stuff.

Transit is 2 fold:

How do we move people around Toronto
How do we get people into Toronto.

If only the CEOs of corporate real-estate giants didn't own the CEOs of the banks... so many less people would need to go downtown a day
 
MindzEye said:
It's not a lack of highways either. Hamilton is small by city standards and has 2 full blown 400 series highways running through it and another 2/2 parkway. Edmonton the same really. London, lol, what the fuck are we doing when you can't live in a place like that without ridiculous traffic?
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Uncle & Aunt, Cousin live in London at opposite sides of the city. It takes them 30 minutes to get to each other houses. Its ridiculous.
 
Sorry off topic but this is the same argument I have with my dad who has been sucked into the anti EV shit.

His response "the energy companies say EVs are causing the grids to become overwhlemed"

My point back: "maybe we should invest in infrastructure or better yet mandate all new build homes and corporate buildings have solar panels, should take a chunk of the burden off the grid"
 
trujaysfan said:
Hey you get 3 whole trains before work and after work during the week.

I have colleagues who simply say "sorry my last train is at 530" to get out of corporate social shit they don't want to attend.
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So the functioning idea behind Metrolinx and the Go Expansion is for commuter service to get beefed up and then have there be 15 minute frequency on most go lines, with faster travel times (a bunch of the current issues are signal and crossing issues, not being grade separated in a lot of places slows the fuck out of the network as a whole).

I think the functioning idea from there is "if you build it, they will come". I know that in Barrie they're creating the city transit hub around the 2 Go Train stations to have something resembling integrated transit. I would imagine that other integrated approaches will be the norm going forward.
 
MindzEye said:
Absolutely. I'm not saying that it should just be expected that people ride awful transit because the alternative is sitting in world class traffic congestion. The idea is to make non road network transit comfortable and fast, this takes pressure off of the road network, which then creates knock on benefits for bus transit (it's stuck on the same slow road network the cars are) and yeah, passenger vehicles.

More frequency, better rolling stock (yeah, air conditioning is a must...wifi in 2024 also a must tbh), get grade seperated crossings so that speeds can be maintained within the city, etc.
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yah look at London
 
trujaysfan said:
With Go transit you still need a car because each suburb has such poor transit that getting to a station by any other means takes longer than the go ride.
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GO stations are just big parking lots. They built that new station on the north edge of the city with a humongous parking lot and they only run 4 trains a day in and out of it. That's not real. Real transit would be running trains every 15 minutes as well as having proper suburban transit. Ideally you want to make it so that owning a car isnt necessary but the current system doesn't ensure that unless you live across the street from a GO station or subway stop and work across the street from another.
 
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