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OT: American Politics

Yep, back to no politics. My mistake. Spaz. You going to tell your kids about the BoogeyTrump? If they don't fall asleep the BoogeyTrump with rearrange their room and stay forever?
 
Eh I'm not even on anyone's side on this. Just having fun with some of your harmless hypocrisy. You'll survive.
 
Habsy said:
Moving target.
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Nope

I'm not even playing when I mention a coup attempt.
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To which you replied

The fucker will get voted out or he won't. Those are the two choices facing the country.
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He can claim or whine about whatever he likes, if he gets voted out he's gone in January. Period.
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You still act like he has a choice. He can't do half of what he wants as president and you think he can do more when he's voted out?

Ridiculous. So ridiculous.
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and I responded with:

You've had goalposts that could only be made out of some magical material for the last few years.
Able to be wherever you need them to be, at any time, oftentimes in multiple places at once.
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and you're doing it again, right here, right now.

Other choice comments from our earlier discussion that call bullshit on your "moving target" shite

Wager on what exactly? What would you consider an attempt? He's already the first President in modern history (maybe ever) to muse publicly about staying beyond 8 yrs.
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I used the word attempt in a half dozen posts. You've got two choices here to look coherent and rational. You can accept the reality of the situation, that Trump is going to attempt to abuse his power to overturn a fairly (ish...the Republicans are already trying to cheat through voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc...but that's old shit) contested election...or you can admit that you had too narrow a definition of the word coup (or yeah, you can continue arguing with the people who study the shit for a living...) and didn't initially grasp the obvious risk of a soft coup.

I've used consistent wording from the onset bruh. If Trump loses, he is going to attempt an overthrow of the existing government power structure so that he can stay in power.
 
The only reason the system seems broken is because half of the government is actively sabotaging the government.
 
zeke said:
nothing "deep" about it

The gop is quite overt about it.
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And you finally see just how the left obfuscates and the right is overtly transparent. So much progress in one day for Padowan Marx. Most impressive (in my best Vader impersonation).
 
Habsy said:
This is hilarious as it is what both parties have been trying to do. There are states in the USA that are pretty much one party states on both sides and they both want to bring that nationally. That's how it has been for 200 years.
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There's a difference between voter preference returning predictable results (I would never suggest for example that the Alberta Conservatives have performed a coup in Alberta) and structural legislative changes being made to ensure that a single party remains in power.

and no, the Democrats have not been doing that.
 
Again, care to quantify "structural legislative changes being made to ensure that a single party remains in power"?

All I'm seeing here is

1) Trump loses
2) Trump claims voter fraud etc
3) Trump doesn't leave

If that is what you have then yeah, laughable.
 
Habsy said:
And you finally see just how the left obfuscates and the right is overtly transparent. So much progress in one day for Padowan Marx. Most impressive (in my best Vader impersonation).
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The left legislates, the right destroys.

No hidden explanations needed.
 
Habsy said:
Again, care to quantify "structural legislative changes being made to ensure that a single party remains in power"?

All I'm seeing here is

1) Trump loses
2) Trump claims voter fraud etc
3) Trump doesn't leave

If that is what you have then yeah, laughable.
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You missed the Barr and scotus parts.
 
Habsy said:
@MindzEye

Care to quantify how this coup will be done with more than just him whining about the election results?
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Articles have been posted in this thread on the mechanics of it. If the election is close enough for GOP held state assemblies to certify results contrary to the vote counts in their states (in direct conflict with the legally certified results provided by the Governor), they will. This will turn into a legal battle that will go to SCOTUS, SCOTUS votes down party lines and Trump remains President despite very clearly losing the election.

If the Republicans get away with it, you can be assured that they will use every scrap of power they have to codify it to ensure that it can be repeated whenever their grip on power is challenged.
 
Habsy said:
"structural legislative changes being made to ensure that a single party remains in power"?
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Gerrymandering, stacking the courts (state, federal, supreme) into compliance with Republican political goals, etc.

All the same shit they've been doing for a couple of decades now. I don't think you grasp how close they are to being able to hold onto power regardless of the will of the electorate.
 
MindzEye said:
Articles have been posted in this thread on the mechanics of it. If the election is close enough for GOP held state assemblies to certify results contrary to the vote counts in their states (in direct conflict with the legally certified results provided by the Governor), they will. This will turn into a legal battle that will go to SCOTUS, SCOTUS votes down party lines and Trump remains President despite very clearly losing the election.

If the Republicans get away with it, you can be assured that they will use every scrap of power they have to codify it to ensure that it can be repeated whenever their grip on power is challenged.
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Ok, understand that I do not read every single post in this thread, especially when it is twitter feed heavy.

So now the salient point you're making is it won't actually be Trump doing it but the RNC?

Let me see if I get this straight, you have some concern over state level assemblies not certifying results and making it a legal issue (sort of like the painful chad incident of 200 in FLA) and expect SCOTUS to side with the state legislatures attempting to "steal" an election should their state go blue?

That's the gist of this?
 
zeke said:
The left legislates, the right destroys.

No hidden explanations needed.
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Reagan campaigned and won on this exact premise back in 80. It's been the GOP mantra ever since.

"Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem."
 
Habsy said:
So now the salient point you're making is it won't actually be Trump doing it but the RNC?
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Eh, I don't know if there is a functional difference between the two anymore. It's pretty clearly become the Trumpist party. But yes.

you have some concern over state level assemblies not certifying results and making it a legal issue (sort of like the painful chad incident of 200 in FLA) and expect SCOTUS to side with the state legislatures attempting to "steal" an election should their state go blue?
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The same mechanism, but heavily abused. Yes.
 
MindzEye said:
Gerrymandering, stacking the courts (state, federal, supreme) into compliance with Republican political goals, etc.
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Gerrymandering is common, the Dems have done it in South Florida for decades. I will concede it is far more prevalent to the GOP though.
All the same shit they've been doing for a couple of decades now.
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Which is why it seems like old hat to me and getting excited over this "coup" attempt (violent or passive) is not worth the worry imo.

I don't think you grasp how close they are to being able to hold onto power regardless of the will of the electorate.
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Or perhaps you tend to believe the hyperbolic writers claiming that they as so close to a coup?

Yes, I obviously do not grasp it because I know enough about the system to know it is highly unlikely they do this and even more unlikely that they succeed.

Let me put it this way, if the GOP even attempted to do this at the state level I'd vote D for the rest of my life. That's how certain I am that it would be political suicide for them to do so.

What I think the worst that will happen is Trump loses, goes on an excuse/whining/deep state/blah blah blah tour full of bluster, January rolls around and he's escorted out of the WH if he hasn't voluntarily left.

What I actually think will happen is he loses and leaves. Likely not quietly as he does nothing quietly.
 
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