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Habspatrol said:
Can't argue with either of those things.

There would be no "reason" that Trump would have to sexually assault anyone. But as you said, it's not really about "having to." Many rapists are more than capable of getting laid legitimately.

I have yet to see where Biden's daughter said an actual age. She wrote "showers with my dad (probably not appropriate)." Was she 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? 9? 10? And what other context is there? Was he in shorts? Was this a regular event, or was there a circumstance that led to it? I mean, literally the only detail we have is her writing "showers with my dad (probably not appropriate)."

All the other stuff written appears to be from different parts of the diary that makes reference to sexual trauma and poses questions in search of an explanation for being "hyper-sexualized @ a young age." Along with mentions of not liking to visit a certain family's house, "being sexualized" with a female friend, and "having sex with friends @ a young age,"
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Is there such a thing as an acceptable age to be showering with ones daughter? And c'mon, he'd be wearing shorts? Even if he was, was she clothed in the shower?? There is no possible way to justify this. The guy is known to be creepy around young girls and even children. I can post the videos if you've never seen them. From the bizarre hair sniffing, to the inappropriate comments, to him in one particular video of him holding a female child around the waist, and inching his hand towards her breast even as she's trying to evade it. All while being filmed right in the White House. I can tell you for sure, if that was my daughter he or anyone fondled in that way, they'd be putting me in cuffs. Because I would knock him the fuck out.
 
LesCanadiens said:
I don't have to believe the former, it's true. So, accepted fact. But really, in the big scheme of things, is it a big deal a then private citizen, real estate mogul and celebrity made some remarks about grabbing pussies on a hollywood bus in private with some other celebrity? Haven't you talked shit with your buddies worse than that? I've heard 10x worse by women talking in the same context. This is so much-ado about nothing, IMO.

Being "accused" means shit all. Quite by magic, he's suddenly been accused of all sorts of crap, from pee parties with Russian hookers (based on a fabricated dossier produced by a foreign agent), to being a Russian agent, to being a racist etc etc. All after he chose to run as a Republican. He was adored by the MSM, Hollywood and Democrats and thought of in terms of being one of them, before that. Id say that's a "tad" suspicious timing.

As far as the felonies go, I believe as do many neutral and also left-wing legal analysts, that those charges are horseshit and clearly lawfare. So my prediction here is, they'll all be either dropped altogether, or dismissed on appeal. That so-called bookkeeping case Merchan is residing over is especially laughable on many levels.

So I'll return into your court. If the cases are dropped and/or dismissed on appeal, will you agree that they were bad cases and that Trump is innocent?
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Have I talked shit about stuff worse than sexually assaulting women? No, not at all. I assume, by your question that you have. That's fucked up man.

The difference here is that I don't and I don't know anyone who actually believes the pee party stuff. I don't believe he's a Russian agent. There's absolutely no doubt that he's racist though. I mean, that's the appeal for a very large portion of his supporters.
 
LesCanadiens said:
Is there such a thing as an acceptable age to be showering with ones daughter? And c'mon, he'd be wearing shorts? Even if he was, was she clothed in the shower?? There is no possible way to justify this. The guy is known to be creepy around young girls and even children. I can post the videos if you've never seen them. From the bizarre hair sniffing, to the inappropriate comments, to him in one particular video of him holding a female child around the waist, and inching his hand towards her breast even as she's trying to evade it. All while being filmed right in the White House. I can tell you for sure, if that was my daughter he or anyone fondled in that way, they'd be putting me in cuffs. Because I would knock him the fuck out.
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Of course there is. The idea that you don't think there's an appropriate age tells me more about you than anything else.
 
Anyway... I purposely avoid these discussions online. There's absolutely nothing to be gained. I know I'm never going to convince you of anything... so, I'm going to get back to something I enjoy. Sports.
 
Habspatrol said:
Have I talked shit about stuff worse than sexually assaulting women? No, not at all. I assume, by your question that you have. That's fucked up man.

The difference here is that I don't and I don't know anyone who actually believes the pee party stuff. I don't believe he's a Russian agent. There's absolutely no doubt that he's racist though. I mean, that's the appeal for a very large portion of his supporters.
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Trump isn't a Russian AGENT but he is a Russian ASSET and has been one since about 1980 when the KGB first took an interest in him.

Read "American Kompromat" by Craig Unger. Trump was the easiest turncoat the KGB ever got because he was unscrupulous, motivated only by money, easily compromised and easily flattered. Trump Tower was a Russian laundromat from the time it opened to today.
 
Habspatrol said:
Have I talked shit about stuff worse than sexually assaulting women? No, not at all. I assume, by your question that you have. That's fucked up man.
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Pardon me? Please keep your vile PERSONAL accusations directed at me to yourself. I don't personally believe bullshit talk between 2 guys constitutes sexual assault. It's not my particular style of bragging about my exploits, and it was clear that's what he meant. So if they are ready and willing partners, it's not sexual assault. If this is what you have to hang your hat on in order to defend a guy who showered with his daughter, then you don't have much.
 
LesCanadiens said:
Pardon me? Please keep your vile PERSONAL accusations directed at me to yourself. I don't personally believe bullshit talk between 2 guys constitutes sexual assault. It's not my particular style of bragging about my exploits, and it was clear that's what he meant. So if they are ready and willing partners, it's not sexual assault. If this is what you have to hang your hat on in order to defend a guy who showered with his daughter, then you don't have much.
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Well, I didn't want to continue this discussion, but I'll respond. You asked if I hadn't said worse than what Trump said... I assumed that was you admitting that you have.

"Walking right up to a woman and kissing her and grabbing them "by the pussy" is not an exploit. It's 100% sexual assault. Full stop.

Also... you do know that mothers and father bath their sons and daughters, right? They sometimes actually shower with them. Obviously, there's an age that it becomes weird and then an age that is inappropriate... and at some point, it becomes flat out illegal. Neither you or I know what age this happened until. I am not defending him, but I just don't have nearly enough information to make a proper judgement. From what I can tell, there's literally a sentence from the diary. That's it, no context.
 
Habspatrol said:
Well, I didn't want to continue this discussion, but I'll respond. You asked if I hadn't said worse than what Trump said... I assumed that was you admitting that you have.

"Walking right up to a woman and kissing her and grabbing them "by the pussy" is not an exploit. It's 100% sexual assault. Full stop.

Also... you do know that mothers and father bath their sons and daughters, right? They sometimes actually shower with them. Obviously, there's an age that it becomes weird and then an age that is inappropriate... and at some point, it becomes flat out illegal. Neither you or I know what age this happened until. I am not defending him, but I just don't have nearly enough information to make a proper judgement. From what I can tell, there's literally a sentence from the diary. That's it, no context.
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Ok, thought you were a stickler for context. So here is context. "They LET you do it". That's not assault, and besides, it's just a bunch of braggadocios BS that may be nothing more than just that. Seriously, that is not even close to the context of Ashley Bidens comments. "I do remember trauma" and "Probably not appropriate" and "turned on when I wasn't supposed to be". To me this clearly says she was traumatized by the showers. And she was clearly stimulated. So it was sexual in nature. So she also most likely had been old enough to understand it was not appropriate and that it was sexual. Plus, she's in the shower. Not a bath like an infant or toddler. I don't know if you have kids. I do. And this is NOT appropriate. Period.

Anyway, we've beaten this topic to death. My hope is that we both have at least a more open perspective, rather than all good or all bad narratives that far to many on both sides seem to harbor. It's not healthy. There are many, many narratives out there that are horribly distorted. And that's a sad state of things.

PS: I've personally put myself in danger dealing with actual sexual abusers. So that comment was not cool. Best one I recall is this rich dude that came into the club and literally did start grabbing women by the pussy, ass, tits...whatever he could. I showed him the pavement head-first. Came behind him, he had baggy sweats on, grabbed him simultaneously by the balls and the back of his hair, and tilted him up sideways on my chest and walked him to the door and dumped his sick ass outside. I can't stand anyone who abuses a women or kids.

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hockeylover said:
Voted for Trump
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Proof? They tried to say the same thing about Crooks. Which either way, who cares? The face of the Democrats comment I made was more to reference the irresponsible rhetoric the left, including their politicians, the media Hollywood spews out regularly, and has so since 2016.

This doesn't strike me as a Trump voter:
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LesCanadiens said:
Proof? They tried to say the same thing about Crooks. Which either way, who cares? The face of the Democrats comment I made was more to reference the irresponsible rhetoric the left, including their politicians, the media Hollywood spews out regularly, and has so since 2016.

This doesn't strike me as a Trump voter:
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Mental health seems to be a pretty big issue here.
 
hockeylover said:
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Mental health seems to be a pretty big issue here.
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Thanks. Besides the fact Trump will be long-gone by 2106, and so will we, I'm curious where this screenshot is from considering there is a complete dump of his social media posts (almost all since shut down, btw), where he's clearly anti-Trump, registered as a Dem in 2 states, and donated a TON to the Democrats. Besides, just the fact he tried to kill Trump is proof enough that he clearly is anti-Trump. Did he truly vote Trump in 2016? Doesn't really matter since he's been a Democrat backer and donator now for years.
 
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