OT: Politics & News... Have at it.

[worm]

Who cares if that dumb post is true or not. Gaslighting is the act of trying to question a persons perception and sanity. And no, it's not going to work on me. Trying to use weasel talking points to somehow make it conservatives fault that a radical left-wing nutcase shot at a conservative, is manipulative gaslighting. Since it seems, based on the remainder of your post, you've been on the kool-aid full force, it's clearly working on you. It won't on me. The questions should be, why are Democrats stoking the fire for violence against conservatives and Trump specifically. And why has Trumps protection been fraught with major issues (even according to Democrats like Blumenthal)?

What has Biden done to bring us closer to WW3? Oh, threatening the use of NATO long and mid-range missile attacks on Russian cities isn't enough for you? LMAO.

Trump was the first president since Eisenhower to not start any new wars. In contrast, Obama was the first president in US history to be at war for every year of a 2-term presidency. Trump brokered peace deals in the Balkans and between Arabs and Jews (The Abraham Accords). Trump eradicated the ISIS caliphate in 8 months. But of course, you never hear about these facts. Because you're indoctrinated by MSM state propaganda. If any Democrat had this record, he/she would be on the cover of Time magazine clutching their Nobel Peace Prize.

And YOU calling Trump a "threat to democracy" is ridiculous and is an actual threat to democracy. Funny, you use Trumps words to call him as such, but don't apply the same metric when countless Democrat "leaders" overly called for violence against him and other conservatives. Hypocritical and typical of the left.

As I said. Not my first rodeo. It's impossible to attempt an objective, productive debate, when all the other side has to offer, is "Orange man bad".

Stick to rodeos.

 

[MindzEye]

Doesn't seem to have any coherent political affiliation. Seems to have been for Trump in 2016, for Nikki now, and has donated to the Dems.

Doesn't seem to have any coherent anything. Even his "work" in Ukraine was shunned by the Ukrainian government and a rep from the International Volunteer Corps had posted to twitter about this guy ages ago that he wasn't involved with them, but was lying about being involved with them. He appears to have started his own thing over there, and was trying to skirt Ukrainian law by bringing Afghanis in to fight without approval.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Which war did Carter initiate?

Proxy war is still a war. See Indonesia and Liberia where he funded, armed and trained them and lots of lives were lost. Especially in East Timor where almost 25% of their population perished due to Carter's proxy war there. His backing/arming/funding of the mujahedeen in Afghanistan could arguably be put on the list too.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Stick to rodeos.

Yeah, real insightful of you. Stick to being a worm. Suits you.

 

[worm]

Yeah, real insightful of you. Stick to being a worm. Suits you.

I don't care if this dumb post is true or not.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Doesn't seem to have any coherent political affiliation. Seems to have been for Trump in 2016, for Nikki now, and has donated to the Dems.

The only "coherent" part that counts, once people try to wade through the gaslighting, is that he tried to kill Trump. Everything else is deflection. And funny how it's left-wing nutbars and trans kids that are almost exclusively responsible for this massive gun violence issue. And most cities (where there are state laws for guns) where gun violence is rampant, like Chicago, are all Democrat run. Seems to me, Democrats are irresponsible gun owners.

 

[LesCanadiens]

I don't care if this dumb post is true or not.

Yeah, nice job at a selective snip where you miss the full paragraph of me explaining why. Typical and expected. Carry on...

 

[Wayward DP]

Who cares if that dumb post is true or not.

Okay, I interpret this as you admitting to the truth of the tweet. That's a good starting point.

Gaslighting is the act of trying to question a persons perception and sanity. And no, it's not going to work on me.

I suspect you are a much more ironic poster than you intend to be.

Trying to use weasel talking points to somehow make it conservatives fault that a radical left-wing nutcase shot at a conservative, is manipulative gaslighting.

Again, where have I, or anyone other than wehave, done that on this board?

Or posted anything that does that?

I'm on record in my previous post with my thoughts on this shooter, based on the information available.

Kinda seems like you're screaming about positions that... no one here actually holds. So keep screaming if it makes you feel better, I guess? But don't expect to be have your argument taken seriously.

Since it seems, based on the remainder of your post, you've been on the kool-aid full force, it's clearly working on you.

Again, what kool-aid am I drinking? You are full of vitriol and rhetoric but very short on specifics.

It won't on me. The questions should be, why are Democrats stoking the fire for violence against conservatives and Trump specifically.

and again, I asked you to provide me with examples of this, and you have failed to do so.

so once again, please provide any examples of any elected democrats, democratic candidates, or members of their campaign teams, who have advocated for violence against conservatives.

And why has Trumps protection been fraught with major issues (even according to Democrats like Blumenthal)?

this is a fair question, that no one has objected to being asked...

What has Biden done to bring us closer to WW3? Oh, threatening the use of NATO long and mid-range missile attacks on Russian cities isn't enough for you? LMAO.

where did he make these threats?

Ukraine has already taken territory from Russia, a nuclear power, without any escalation? Ukraine has decimated their Black Sea fleet, without nuclear escalation. Ukraine launches drones and missiles into sovereign Russian territory, without nuclear (or any) escalation. so what are you on about?

Trump was the first president since Eisenhower to not start any new wars.

what war did Obama start?

In contrast, Obama was the first president in US history to be at war for every year of a 2-term presidency. Trump brokered peace deals in the Balkans and between Arabs and Jews (The Abraham Accords).

so, how are the Abraham Accords working out for Israel and the Middle East?

Trump eradicated the ISIS caliphate in 8 months.

thought he didn't start any new wars?

But of course, you never hear about these facts. Because you're indoctrinated by MSM state propaganda.

lol, you are clearly unaware of my length record of criticizing the MSM.

If any Democrat had this record, he/she would be on the cover of Time magazine clutching their Nobel Peace Prize.

lol

And YOU calling Trump a "threat to democracy" is ridiculous and is an actual threat to democracy.

how is calling the trump a threat to democracy a threat to democracy?

and just as a reminder, this is the guy who promises voters that once they elect him, they'll never need to vote anymore.

Funny, you use Trumps words to call him as such, but don't apply the same metric when countless Democrat "leaders" overly called for violence against him and other conservatives. Hypocritical and typical of the left.

again, please provide an example of this behaviour that you so object to, but as far as I can tell is literally not happening anywhere...

As I said. Not my first rodeo. It's impossible to attempt an objective, productive debate, when all the other side has to offer, is "Orange man bad".

I asked you to provide examples repeatedly and you provided none. If you want to be taken seriously, you should back up your assertions with facts and evidence.

Instead it just kinda seems like one of those old man yelling at cloud memes... you're screaming about positions that no one has taken and no one is supporting...

 

[Wayward DP]

The only "coherent" part that counts, once people try to wade through the gaslighting, is that he tried to kill Trump. Everything else is deflection. And funny how it's left-wing nutbars and trans kids that are almost exclusively responsible for this massive gun violence issue. And most cities (where there are state laws for guns) where gun violence is rampant, like Chicago, are all Democrat run. Seems to me, Democrats are irresponsible gun owners.

oh man. you seem to live in a parallel universe, where up is down and blue is black. can I get a ticket?

 

[Wayward DP]

The only "coherent" part that counts, once people try to wade through the gaslighting, is that he tried to kill Trump. Everything else is deflection. And funny how it's left-wing nutbars and trans kids that are almost exclusively responsible for this massive gun violence issue. And most cities (where there are state laws for guns) where gun violence is rampant, like Chicago, are all Democrat run. Seems to me, Democrats are irresponsible gun owners.

but more seriously. everyone here accepts he tried to kill trump and that's bad. so not sure what you're arguing about there...

as to your second sentence. it's just verifiably untrue. as is the third sentence. maybe on my lunch I'll be kind enough to find some charts to provide you with some evidence so you can revise your opinions to line up with the facts.

but murder rates are higher in R jurisdictions than D ones.

 

[Wayward DP]

but more seriously. everyone here accepts he tried to kill trump and that's bad. so not sure what you're arguing about there...

as to your second sentence. it's just verifiably untrue. as is the third sentence. maybe on my lunch I'll be kind enough to find some charts to provide you with some evidence so you can revise your opinions to line up with the facts.

but murder rates are higher in R jurisdictions than D ones.

LINK

 

[thehabhater]

Proxy war is still a war. See Indonesia and Liberia where he funded, armed and trained them and lots of lives were lost. Especially in East Timor where almost 25% of their population perished due to Carter's proxy war there. His backing/arming/funding of the mujahedeen in Afghanistan could arguably be put on the list too.

Carter never sent troops to an active war. You are reaching here

 

[Wayward DP]

@LesCanadiens

some data for you to consider (or ignore)

 

[Wayward DP]

@LesCanadiens

Firearm mortality by state (from 2022, per the CDC)

the top 15:
1. MS (R)
2. LA (R)
3. NM (D)
4. AL (R)
5. MO (R)
6. MT (R)
7. AK (R)
8. AR (R)
9. DC (D?)
10. SC (R)
11. TN (R)
12. WY (R)
13. AZ (R)
14. OK (R)
15. GA (R)

notice a pattern?

(sorted by death rate)

 

[MindzEye]

Trying to use weasel talking points to somehow make it conservatives fault that a radical left-wing nutcase shot at a conservative, is manipulative gaslighting.

You know this is kind of crazy, right? Nothing about this guy screams "radical left wing nutcase", it just screams "nutcase". His politics are fluid beyond the current American right/left dichotomy. I took a stroll down his twitter timeline yesterday before Elon nuked it and it's all over the place, and entirely unhinged. To quote the great Chris Rock "Whatever happened to crazy?". This dude wasn't radicalized by contemporary "Democrat rhetoric" unless he has a fucking time machine. He's been "radicalized" (...or crazy) for decades by the looks of things.

why are Democrats stoking the fire for violence against conservatives and Trump specifically.

You know it's kind of nuts that you're saying something like this on the same day schools in Springfield Ohio are shutdown due to bomb threats your boy stoked because he took a shit on national TV and is entirely incapable of admitting he was wrong about Haitian immigrants, right?

"Democrat rhetoric" is far, far more tame than Donnie's and it's just not close. You're more than welcome to provide specific examples of Democrat rhetoric and I will happily reply with current Trump and Trumpco rhetoric (you ever listened to Stephen Miller talk?) for comparison.

What has Biden done to bring us closer to WW3? Oh, threatening the use of NATO long and mid-range missile attacks on Russian cities isn't enough for you? LMAO.

Except that's not what's happening. Threatening the use of long and mid range missiles of Russian military targets though, absolutely.

I don't know what to say to someone who buys Putin's threats though. This is really the only response necessary:

There's no WW3 coming. Russia is struggling more than enough dealing with Ukraine outfitted with NATO's yard sale. He's not interested in bringing NATO boots into the conflict. Just Poland getting involved would be the end of this, nevermind the UK or US. Vlad knows, and scaring people with his threats to slow or eliminate aid to Ukraine is the goal.

Trump was the first president since Eisenhower to not start any new wars.

Eh?

Kennedy didn't start any wars, neither did Carter.

Obama was the first president in US history to be at war for every year of a 2-term presidency.

The vast majority of which was inherited by previous admins, and he was responsible for drawing down 1 of the 2 major ones he inherited. It's not nearly as simple as the little talking points make it sound.

And YOU calling Trump a "threat to democracy" is ridiculous and is an actual threat to democracy.

The purpose of January 6th was to stop the official vote tally and sow enough confusion to get the entire election pushed to SCOTUS in the hopes they would find some sort of legal justification for installing Trump as President again. This is of course just the hail mary final chapter of the Eastman plan, which is the public record attempt Trump made to hold power regardless of what the electorate did. It is actual gaslighting for all of this to be public record and then claim that Trump isn't a threat to democracy. He very literally attempted to overthrow the US democratic process over twice. Once using "alternate electors" and the 2nd time by encouraging a mob to organize and take over the capitol building in an attempt to disrupt the vote.

Trump eradicated the ISIS caliphate in 8 months.

lol what? The US response to ISIS started in 2014, something in the range of 8000 aerial bombings against ISIS targets happened before Trump ever took office. ISIS was finally defeated under Trump so sure, give him his flowers for his involvement in it, but that shit spanned over 2 administrations, with the Obama admit getting a multi national coalition started, and doing a lot of the heavy lifting in 2014-2016.

 

[hockeylover]

just drive an hour from chicago, and you're in a red state with almost no restrictions at all.

background checks? nah.
assault wpns prohib? nah.
ghost guns regulations? nah.
high capacity magazine restrictions? nah.
felony prohibitor? no. hate crime prohibitor? no. mental health prohibitor? no. violent offenses, nah. school threat assessment? nah.

atf says half of guns used in crimes in illinois are from indiana, missouri, kentucky, iowa, etc.

 

[worm]

Dems need to be much stricter on gun control.

 

[TheCountofMonteCristo]

Yeah, nice job at a selective snip where you miss the full paragraph of me explaining why. Typical and expected. Carry on...

the piling on will begin where they all take a shot at you, expect you to respond to them all, and the feeding frenzy will continue until they exhaust you or you figure they aren't worth the carpal tunnel you get responding.

 

[Wayward DP]

the piling on will begin where they all take a shot at you, expect you to respond to them all, and the feeding frenzy will continue until they exhaust you or you figure they aren't worth the carpal tunnel you get responding.

I disagree that asking for facts and/or evidence that support the things he is claiming = a pile on and/or feeding frenzy

again, @LesCanadiens is apparently upset about Democratic candidates calling for violence against Trump. shouldn't be difficult to show that there are in fact Democratic candidates calling for violence against Trump, no? and if not, why is he so upset about it?

seems pretty fundamental to the ongoing discussion

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

This kind of narrative posting is nothing short of gaslighting. Nice try. So let's try and blame Trump and/or conservatives, for the actions of a radical, left-wing nutjob. And for the record. Many "conservatives" ARE indeed asking why a convicted felon who must be clearly a known entity to the DOJ (just based on criminal record and deep involvement recruiting mercenaries for Ukraine) can fly from Hawaii to Florida, buy an AK47 with serial numbers scratched off, and then magically know Trump would be golfing when that was a last minute decision?

It's not my first rodeo dealing with this disgusting gaslighting that the left is very skilled at. It is them who ignite radical mental cases like this guy and Crooks with their public statements calling for violence against conservatives, and Trump specifically, or calling Trump a "threat to democracy", just like they did in 2016 fearmongering that he was "going to start WW3". Well here we are today. Their rhetoric has lead to 2 assassination attempts. And after one of the most peaceful presidential terms in US history (and I can prove this, easily), we have the Democrat POTUS/VP bringing us closer to WW3 since the Cuban missile crisis.

He's a MAGA patsy, not a left wing anything.

Why would anyone on the left want Trump killed when he's winning the election for the Dems? This is just another nothingburger like the previous attempt that Trump can grift off of. The first assassination attempt was in the news cycle for about 2 days. The one on Sunday lasted about 2 hours. Nobody gives a shit about Trump anymore. He's done and MAGA knows he's done. That's why they want to bump him off if they can and turn him into a martyr. It's their only possible path to victory in November.

The call came from inside the house. Republicans are the only ones who stand to benefit from Trump being out of the campaign.