The 2019-2020 MotherFucking Season Thread
- Thread starter zeke
- Start date
MyNameIsJonas
Well-known member
Suter
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Why do you keep saying this? Even if it was likely (it's not), no one should be scared of it. He's going to retire in a couple of years. There's 2 more years of real money on his deal. He's not coming back at 38 years old to play for 2 millie. If Minny ate some of the cap hit and didn't want a whole ton in return, I'd be interested. 2 yrs of Suter at a ~6m cap hit or something? Sure, why not.
LeafOfFaith
Well-known member
Yes to the first part, but fuck do I hate the thought of the second part.
I'm going to be really pissed if that happens. That's a bad move for us, short and long term.
LeafOfFaith
Well-known member
We really need to weigh all of this against the prospect of landing Pietrangelo in the offseason. I know some think it's probably pie in the sky stuff, but I really don't think so. I think there's a shot, and even if there isn't, it's worth waiting to see if there is. And the picture looks markedly different if we can land him.
If Pietro goes UFA and we get him, we've landed him without any player cost. All just money. And to accommodate his salary, maybe we're forced to trade off Dermott and Johnsson, let's say. We've then landed an absolute stud first pair RHD to play with Rielly, and then we've probably turned Dermott and Johnsson into a lootbag of 1st and prospects to restock. And our big league roster is literally better than it's ever been in the history of the franchise, for years and years to come.
Or we could trade Kappy and Dermott for some lesser guy (whatever Sever is, he's definitely no Pietro, and sure he's cheaper, but I'd rather pay more for the premium asset). Then we end up with zero lootbag, just depleting our cheap young depth, and picking up a guy who is in no way a proven ideal first pair partner for Rielly.
These two pictures are so radically different from each other, with the first one being so, so much better, that I'd honestly have to question Dubas if he went with scenario two. And no less in a year where Freddy has been unreliable, the team has been inconsistent and in some turmoil, and Boston and TB have been near unbeatable for most of the season. I'd way rather add reasonably at the deadline using our newfound capspace, and then dive deep in the offseason (whether we win it this year or not), than to get desperate and make a lesser move that robs us of some really good players without getting a known commodity back.
If Pietro goes UFA and we get him, we've landed him without any player cost. All just money. And to accommodate his salary, maybe we're forced to trade off Dermott and Johnsson, let's say. We've then landed an absolute stud first pair RHD to play with Rielly, and then we've probably turned Dermott and Johnsson into a lootbag of 1st and prospects to restock. And our big league roster is literally better than it's ever been in the history of the franchise, for years and years to come.
Or we could trade Kappy and Dermott for some lesser guy (whatever Sever is, he's definitely no Pietro, and sure he's cheaper, but I'd rather pay more for the premium asset). Then we end up with zero lootbag, just depleting our cheap young depth, and picking up a guy who is in no way a proven ideal first pair partner for Rielly.
These two pictures are so radically different from each other, with the first one being so, so much better, that I'd honestly have to question Dubas if he went with scenario two. And no less in a year where Freddy has been unreliable, the team has been inconsistent and in some turmoil, and Boston and TB have been near unbeatable for most of the season. I'd way rather add reasonably at the deadline using our newfound capspace, and then dive deep in the offseason (whether we win it this year or not), than to get desperate and make a lesser move that robs us of some really good players without getting a known commodity back.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Yeah, I'd rather turn around and take the Barrie assets + Dermott for Severson if they decide Severson is the guy. We're not as deep upfront as the theory trade crafters seem to think we are. Anyone who thought that Engvall could handle more than a bottom 6 role probably needs to take his 13 game pointless streak seriously.
Dermott I'd be okay with moving as long as we were getting a RH defender in his prime, under control at reasonable money. Sandin is ready for that 3rd pairing role now imo.
Dermott I'd be okay with moving as long as we were getting a RH defender in his prime, under control at reasonable money. Sandin is ready for that 3rd pairing role now imo.
Preston
MBow30 alt account
I'm good with that too. I agree that if they trade kapanen and Dermott in a package they better be getting a stud in return. I think it's worth sacrificing some depth up front to have one of the best top four d in the NHL with Rielly muzzin Holl and the mystery d. A top four defensman is more important than a third line winger on any team. Kapanen may be better than a third line rw but that's all he'll ever be on the leafs. It's all about optimizing your assets and that's all this does.
But the right guy has to be available and they can't miss on it. I'm not confident enough in Severson to believe he's the right man for that package but I'll defer to the team of nerds that's the leafs have for that one.
Last edited:
JackBurton
Well-known member
I do think Dubas will add a big name. That's according to my "Sources", or voices in my head.
All I mainly took was Engvall is not a C in the nhl yet. His play completely tailed off once he was moved off the wing.
LeafOfFaith
Well-known member
Kappy may not be more than a third liner for us, but he's at least a second liner for anyone else.
That's the kind of third liner I want. Someone who can actually move up when injuries bog us down.
Keep him.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
You realize Malgin was in our top 6 last night eh? We have exactly 4 forwards that can be expected to remain better contributors than Kappy. Claiming that all Kappy can ever be, at 23 yrs old, is a 3rd line forward for us is probably going to look like one of your famous hot takes.
None of the names I've heard mentioned are the guy to include Kappy in a package for. Pesce is the only name I've heard mentioned in the 12 month ongoing "Kapanen for insert RHD here" rumour that I'm interested in moving Kappy for.
We're not nearly as deep upfront as people seem to think. We have Denis Malgin and a rookie on a 13 game pointless streak both in our middle 6 right now.
Preston
MBow30 alt account
Three of AJ, Kerf, Malgin, Soup, Engval
And yes. I am claiming he'll never surpass mucho or will. Call me crazy I suppose.
Allocating that money to a top four d is just more cost effective. These decisions sometimes have to be made in a cap world. I'm not claiming Severson is the guy but they should absolutely be looking.
Three of AJ, engval, soup, malgin, kerfoot will be on the third line next year. It's enough. And frankly a 3w that plays 13 minutes is not as important as a top 4 d that plays 20 minutes.
And yes. I am claiming he'll never surpass mucho or will. Call me crazy I suppose.
Allocating that money to a top four d is just more cost effective. These decisions sometimes have to be made in a cap world. I'm not claiming Severson is the guy but they should absolutely be looking.
Preston
MBow30 alt account
He's a first liner on many teams. But is it cost effective to have him on the third line? I'd rather use his value and money to allocate it to a more impactful slot in the lineup.
LeafOfFaith
Well-known member
He could be a 25 goal guy we’re paying $3.2m to for another couple of years. Yeah, that’s great value, especially when it needs to move up to the second line from time to time.
Anyway, it’s not like we need to sacrifice his money to fit in another D. We can afford whoever we get with all the money dropping off from Barrie and Ceci. The question is whether we should trade Kapanen to do it. And I say no.
MyNameIsJonas
Well-known member
I want to drive Arty mad
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
It's what now?
Neither Engvall nor Malgin has proven that they can actually do that, or that they're capable of stepping up higher in the lineup to cover for injuries. Expecting AJ to be any hell next year after missing basically his entire summer is pretty optimistic too.
This is all of course forgetting that Kapanen is 23 and could easily be here for a number of years as a very good middle 6 winger.
Show me a list of 3W that play 13 minutes a game.
Willy can play LW if Kappy never figures it out. We have 4 forwards that are rock solid locks in the top 6. After that it's pretty fucking fluid.
Except there's no cap reason for moving Kappy. This isn't an issue of cap space efficiency at all. We have plenty of assets and cap space to rebuild the right side of the blueline. We could fucking fit AP's salary into it if we were so inclined.
MyNameIsJonas
Well-known member
Mirtle suggested Brodie, Stetcher, Larsson and Gardiner as bases for a Barrie deal
MyNameIsJonas
Well-known member
I dont think Brodie is bad