There's a difference between saying something is probable and predicting that something will happen for sure.you spent many, many posts talking about how you expected us to resign Hyman at a discount. pretending otherwise is revisionist history.
I mean, this feels like the most obvious, guaranteed thing. The only thing that prevents it from happening are his skills falling off a cliff, in which case he might even be done. Or he's so good and is still PPG when he goes UFA and we want to pay him like $1M or $2M. Anything in the middle and he's a surefire bet to take year by year cheapie deals in the $3M range.Tavares will do a Bergeron for us don't worry.
I agree you didn't guarantee that either would resign. But I do think that you expected Hyman to. that's all. And I'm pretty sure the receipts would bear this out.There's a difference between saying something is probable and predicting that something will happen for sure.
I don't think I guaranteed Hyman or Mikky staying. I said because one was from Toronto and the other had literally just accepted less on his last deal for the team, that I thought they were likely to take less and stay. (I remember many posts saying "we BETTER sign Mikky" and stuff like that, which doesn't sound like someone who's predicted we will). Pretty sure I also said, which is the de facto assumption underlying any and all statements on the subject, that if some dumb team offered a ridiculous amount or term, then that would be that. So Vancouver paying Mikky $5M was never something I'd imagine happening or expect him to refuse, and Edmonton giving a guy like Hyman that money over that crazy term took things to another level. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if those teams had to offer them that much above market just to make them leave.
As for predictions, telling the whole board even while there were just a few minutes left for him to sign, that Willy would 100% be signing before the deadline - that's a prediction. Saying 100% that Tavares would be a Leaf over a year before he became UFA was another prediction. I also predicted Pietrangelo to the Leafs, but that one didn't go my way, probably also because of that insane deal Vegas offered.
But thinking that guys like Hyman, Mikky, Engvall, etc., will stick around for less isn't guaranteeing they will, and huge offers paying first line money or term from other teams takes it outside of the discussion in any event. The notion is, if some team is willing to pay a guy like this $500k more than us or $1M more than us, depending on the situation, I'd expect them to stay Leafs with this core and organization around them. Someone wants to pay Mikky $2.5M-$3M more than what we'd pay over 5 years no less, that changes everything.
Bergeron didn't make $11m all through his prime.
You just restated my own post to me. Like I said, I expected Hyman and Mikky to prefer to be Leafs, but I didn't promise it, and I didn't expect Edmonton and Vancouver to blow their brains out. All things being equal, or slightly better on the other side of the fence, and I think they would've stayed Leafs.I agree you didn't guarantee that either would resign. But I do think that you expected Hyman to. that's all. And I'm pretty sure the receipts would bear this out.
I think the point is that your expectations are often out of whack with what the market is doing. pretty sure we went through something similar with JVR too.