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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

UWHabs

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trying to balance out this year's hot hitting with last year's stats.....

2yr wRC+

SS Bichette 151 (.370babip)
2B Biggio 117
LF Gurriel 125
RF Teoscar 117
DH Guerrero 105
1B Tellez 101
3B Villar 101
CF Grichuk 95
C Jansen 69 (.215babip)

UT Shaw 63 - McKinney 82
OF Fisher 83 - Davis 54
IF Panik 80 - Espinal 56
C Joseph 53 - McGuire 73


Still looks good.

Yeah, I think the biggest change really is Teoscar coming into his own. Vlad slowing down hurts, but if you can run a top-5 in the lineup who are all solidly above average, that pushes the hitters like Tellez, Grichuk, etc... down in the order giving you the depth you need. That one extra hitter just gives you a little more lineup depth to play with, and it means that if one of the top guys is hurt or taking a day off, you don't have to throw Grichuk cleanup or something like that.

The other key is making sure that guys like Teoscar, Biggio, and Bichette can play decent enough defense. A 117 wRC+ doesn't mean much if you rock the massive negative fielding that Teoscar was at a few years ago, but if he can be only slightly below average in the field, that bat plays big. I don't think the current squad will ever be "good" defensively, but you need them to be "not terrible" to have a chance, and that's what they've been so far at least.
 

manny

Active member
On one hand, it is silly to pull your starter from a decent start after 4 innings and 68 pitches. On the other hand, Roark is not very good. His OPS against is 1.009 the third time through the lineup. But actually it's even worse (1.127) the first time through. I thought they'd let him run with it anyway because he didn't look awful and the bullpen has been badly taxed.

Anyway, that explanation from Montoyo, that he wanted to see how the game went first, doesn't make a lot of sense because Roark looked fine and had been reasonably efficient when he pulled him.
 

UWHabs

Well-known member
On one hand, it is silly to pull your starter from a decent start after 4 innings and 68 pitches. On the other hand, Roark is not very good. His OPS against is 1.009 the third time through the lineup. But actually it's even worse (1.127) the first time through. I thought they'd let him run with it anyway because he didn't look awful and the bullpen has been badly taxed.

Anyway, that explanation from Montoyo, that he wanted to see how the game went first, doesn't make a lot of sense because Roark looked fine and had been reasonably efficient when he pulled him.

Yeah, I don't mind avoiding the extra times through, but 4 innings/68 pitches is a little thin. I'd rather see them use an opener in the 1st, and then you could maybe plan for your starter to go 2 1/2 times through the lineup, only going the 3rd time through against the bottom part of the lineup.
 
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