OT: The News Thread

[MindzEye]

You're wrong.

The problem isn't just the production. There wouldn't be production if there wasn't demand. We need to hunt down and jail all of the people involved in the trade of child porn.

and that's cool...but at what cost? How much of our privacy are you willing to give away for this? I mean, you were offended by the very idea of the government having access to how many people lived in your house and how much money you made during the census discussion. How much of your personal data/information (much of it far, far more intimate than anything ever required on a census form) are you comfortable with giving over to the government to fight this problem?

 

[mbow30]

You're wrong.

The problem isn't just the production. There wouldn't be production if there wasn't demand. We need to hunt down and jail all of the people involved in the trade of child porn.

you're never going to stamp out demand.

i also love the 'you're wrong.. the problem isn't just the production'.

no. but it's by far the biggest issue.

why is this problematic at all? because children are being exploited. who is exploiting the children? the people producing it.

resources should be dedicated to actually dealing with the problem, and imo these raids don't accomplish much. the root of the problem is the people producing it, and that is where the government's efforts should be focused.

 

[mbow30]

It's a fricken epidemic right now, and it seems to only be getting worse. so ****ed up.

it's getting to the point where I'm starting to support the idea of more government intrusion.

i don't know if it's gotten any worse.

society has always been filled with sick pedophiles. the internet has unfortunately given them a medium to connect, network and distribute through, though.

 

[corksens]

and that's cool...but at what cost? How much of our privacy are you willing to give away for this? I mean, you were offended by the very idea of the government having access to how many people lived in your house and how much money you made during the census discussion. How much of your personal data/information (much of it far, far more intimate than anything ever required on a census form) are you comfortable with giving over to the government to fight this problem?

Very little.

But there has to be a balance struck because privacy as a blanket statement shouldn't mean we have to set up huge legal roadblocks to law enforcement in their fight against something so prevalent and sinister.

 

[SundinsTooth]

Thinking back on it, I have no problem if a cop goes in front of a judge and shows evidence to get a warrant for an IP provider to hand over all info....no problem whatsoever. I don't like the idea of a step where he can circumnavigate around getting that warrant. With the way people can access the internet, you can really open up some avenues for wrongful prosecution.

 

[MindzEye]

Very little.

But there has to be a balance struck because privacy as a blanket statement shouldn't mean we have to set up huge legal roadblocks to law enforcement in their fight against something so prevalent and sinister.

Well...it's sinister, no doubt. But "so prevalent"? I mean....with all the porn surfing done by just the members of this board, have any of you accidentally stumbled upon CP? I've still never seen any and I've seen more internet porn than I care to discuss.

 

[MindzEye]

Thinking back on it, I have no problem if a cop goes in front of a judge and shows evidence to get a warrant for an IP provider to hand over all info....no problem whatsoever. I don't like the idea of a step where he can circumnavigate around getting that warrant. With the way people can access the internet, you can really open up some avenues for wrongful prosecution.

Yeah...this. It's the warrantless shit that makes it more dangerous to personal liberty/privacy. The inclusion of the judiciary would calm me quite a bit on the matter. Any access to personal internet information should require a warrant...and I also disagree with ISP's being forced to build the infrastructure to sit on months worth of my surfing activity data. I'm cool with them tapping an internet connection the same way they do a phone line and tracking a suspects actitivies for the pre determined length of the warrant.

 

[blacksheep]

It's a fricken epidemic right now, and it seems to only be getting worse. so ****ed up.

it's getting to the point where I'm starting to support the idea of more government intrusion.

I don't believe the problem is getting worse. I believe the media focus on it is getting more intense, and as a result, we're hearing more often about these ****ers getting caught. And I don't believe anybody has any issue with that (except the ****ers getting caught, that is).

 

[Bleedsblue&white]

Well...it's sinister, no doubt. But "so prevalent"? I mean....with all the porn surfing done by just the members of this board, have any of you accidentally stumbled upon CP? I've still never seen any and I've seen more internet porn than I care to discuss.

Yes prevalent.
**** sakes, they have 8000 IP addresses that can do nothing about.
That's around here, who knows world-wide.

It's a completely ****ed up situation, but there has to be a way to charge and successfully prosecute these people.
I'd sure as hell like it at no expense to my freedom, but I believe there has to be a common sense solution.

You guys have no idea, and I'm never going to repeat some of the stuff my wife has had to get off her chest whenever she's has to deal with it, but we HAVE to find a way to close off every loophole.
Yeah they'll always be around, but we shouldn't make it easy for them.

 

[blacksheep]

Thinking back on it, I have no problem if a cop goes in front of a judge and shows evidence to get a warrant for an IP provider to hand over all info....no problem whatsoever. I don't like the idea of a step where he can circumnavigate around getting that warrant. With the way people can access the internet, you can really open up some avenues for wrongful prosecution.

Yeah...this. It's the warrantless shit that makes it more dangerous to personal liberty/privacy. The inclusion of the judiciary would calm me quite a bit on the matter. Any access to personal internet information should require a warrant...and I also disagree with ISP's being forced to build the infrastructure to sit on months worth of my surfing activity data. I'm cool with them tapping an internet connection the same way they do a phone line and tracking a suspects actitivies for the pre determined length of the warrant.

Yes, and yes. This has to be handled the same way as phone taps. Few ****ers will slip through the cracks of due process, and innocent citizens won't be routinely harassed by the pedo squad version of Officer "Bubbles" suffering from small dick syndrome without the ramifications and backlash of due process.
As disgusting as it may be that a few are not caught, we simply can't cross the line into routine losses of freedom under the auspices of phony child porn investigations without checks and balances. It's not perfect, but it is FAR more fair than invading everyone's privacy while pretending to catch a pedo.

 

[corksens]

I don't believe the problem is getting worse. I believe the media focus on it is getting more intense, and as a result, we're hearing more often about these ****ers getting caught. And I don't believe anybody has any issue with that (except the ****ers getting caught, that is).

It's gotten easier with the rise of the internet over the past 10 years. Previously people didn't have an outlet to fulfill these feelings. Now they do.

 

[blacksheep]

Can you imagine what the shelf life is for those cops? I mean they must cap the term just so that these guys don't literally go crazy.

I can imagine that this is one of the most stressful positions within any police force. At least, for any officer who still has a sense of humanity, that is. There are always exceptions...

 

[zeke]

Thing is there's no privacy on the internet or cellphones anyways. the corporations already have complete access to it anyways.g

 

[blacksheep]

It's gotten easier with the rise of the internet over the past 10 years. Previously people didn't have an outlet to fulfill these feelings. Now they do.

Didn't have an outlet at all? I disagree.
Sure, the internet has allowed an explosion in the distribution network - the very same explosion that legal forms of porn have. The very same explosion that necrophiliacs and beastiality fanatics have. Two girls one cup would never have seen many store shelves if there was no internet, either. As much as the internet has helped spread child porn, it has also helped spread all other forms of smut and garbage.
It has also helped authorities spread their wings and catch more of them, as laws start to catch up with the new technologies.
If the pedo they're watching is traced back to Ireland, it's easier to alert Scotland Yard and share all your evidence with them. There again, the internet has made it easier to share evidence to catch more of them.
More laws need to change - and I'm not opposed to any changes that helps catch more of them, so long as I don't have to throw my freedoms to the wind in the process. I have a right to not be harassed or wrongfully accused, if I am a law-abiding citizen. That simply MUST NOT be changed.

 

[HabsAddict]

Very little.

But there has to be a balance struck because privacy as a blanket statement shouldn't mean we have to set up huge legal roadblocks to law enforcement in their fight against something so prevalent and sinister.

The exact same tools that are used to fight something that sinister are also going completely eff over YOUR privacy.

 

[Leafovic]

I agree with msun, its about production. Go hard after that.

At heart I'm a Libertarian and I think privacy is something we should cherish and our liberty. People have this notion that we have control in our lives but do we really? I mean around 40-45k people per year die in the USA due to car accidents. Should we outlaw cars and driving? Even a better example, should the death of 3k from terrorism mean a full blown war is in order where hundreds of thousands end up dying? These are def overreactions because humans are filled with emotion.

 

[Leafovic]

And just to be clear, I'm simply talking about the balance between privacy/liberty and justice. Of course there should be laws against it.

 

[HabsAddict]

Well...it's sinister, no doubt. But "so prevalent"? I mean....with all the porn surfing done by just the members of this board, have any of you accidentally stumbled upon CP? I've still never seen any and I've seen more internet porn than I care to discuss.

You Google porn too? :smilielol5:

Porn sites suck up a lot of bandwidth and normally have sponsors. None of those sponsors in ANY Western country wants to have anything to do with sites that smell of child porn.

About 20 years ago, before the internet took over porn, I looked at investing in an adult video store chain. Enormous profits were to be made. In my usual due diligence, one of my concerns was illegal content. I found that the legitimate players and sources in the industry made sure their product was clean.

 

[Bleedsblue&white]

The reason I'm so vehement about this is; you can't un-hear something...I can't un-know the stuff I know now.
Though there are good people on the planet, the majority of my misanthropy came after my wife started working for the cops.

 

[LeafGm]

It's a pretty slippery slope when you're willing to sacrifice your personal liberties in the name of "public safety". Child porn is a heinous thing and has to be combatted, but if the cost of making it easier for law enforcement to do so means that I have to submit to the authorities being able to track my movements and monitor all of my online and mobile/cell phone activity with no warrant and no probable cause, then F U C K THAT. We have a judiciary for a reason, and it's more than a little distubing how eager government and law enforcement is these days to strip them of their power and bypass them completely.