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OT: American Politics

Why is it any more petty than gays wanting to use the term that has been traditionally attached to same-sex couples?
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Because saying "Oh no, you can DO it but you can't CALL it that" is essentially saying that their marriage doesn't mean as much or isn't as good as a heterosexual marriage. While literally affecting your life in ZERO ways.
 
Leafovic said:
You can't be this dumb.

Answer a direct question:

If women were given the rights of persons, were equal under the law with men, but it was decided when they were given these rights that they would be called "half-persons", this would be fine?
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No. Just like calling gay marriage "half-marriage" isn't acceptable.

But that isn't what I am "proposing".
 
theREALkoreaboy said:
this is a ridiculous, ridiculous comment, and way, way over the line.

you're "tolerant" if you support gay marriage. you're "despicable and intolerant" if you support traditional marriage. but you're still "tolerant" if you call the mother of god what you called her as long as you still support gay marriage.
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God didn't have a mother. He's talking about Mary, who was the mother of Jesus, not God.
 
hockeylover said:
Because saying "Oh no, you can DO it but you can't CALL it that" is essentially saying that their marriage doesn't mean as much or isn't as good as a heterosexual marriage. While literally affecting your life in ZERO ways.
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Who cares what we say though. The law gives them the same rights.

The fight is all over the use of a word. Opposite-sex couples would like it to continue meaning the same thing, and same-sex couples want the definition to change. Yet for some reason you find only one side of the argument absurd.
 
There is no rational reason to segregate people based on sexual orientation. How about we just treat everyone equally as humans and not get caught up in how certain immutable qualities make us different. Marriage is marriage.

Calling it "Gay Marriage" because certain people don't want to be associated with gays is pretty disturbing.
 
Leafovic said:
Until you start responding to the many posts that made you look silly, don't expect great responses back.

I made a joke, maybe a tasteless one, but if you continue to use religion in your reasoning, with no ability to think for yourself and answer others when they call you on your statements, then people will think you are bigoted.
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Especially Roman Catholicism.

And as a person of largely Anglo-Irish descent I can vouch for my dislike of that branch of Christianity pretty vociferously. It's followers are the single most intolerant oppressive adherents of the faith.
 
corksens said:
No. Just like calling gay marriage "half-marriage" isn't acceptable.

But that isn't what I am "proposing".
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Okay, what about we gave women the same rights as men, but in the constitution and all legal documents, they had to be defined as "female people". Would that have been acceptable?
 
Calling it "Gay Marriage" because certain people don't want to be associated with gays is pretty disturbing.
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Yeah, honestly it sounds like an insult. lol

There is nothing gay about gay marriage. :D
 
corksens said:
Who cares what we say though. The law gives them the same rights.

The fight is all over the use of a word. Opposite-sex couples would like it to continue meaning the same thing, and same-sex couples want the definition to change. Yet for some reason you find only one side of the argument absurd.
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YOU can call it gay marriage. YOU can make that distinction. The state should call them both marriage.

And yeah, it is absolutely absurd that you care so much to deprive others of the word when it has literally zero effect on your marriage/life whatsoever.
 
theREALkoreaboy said:
my "tolerance" position is quite clear. i have suggested that you lose all claim to be "tolerant" when you viciously attack people who don't happen to agree with your point of view, when you make really outrageous anti-religious comments to try to back up your point, and when you go on about how superior you are to the billions of savage little brown people who can't even use toilet paper to try to demonstrate how tolerant and progressive you are.
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Would these be the same brown folks you are constantly suggesting we incinerate via the employment of tactical nuclear weapons strikes?
 
To be honest though I've never been a huge fan of having to sign some papers to proclaim my love. I hope in the end that people realize that they don't need to sign some paper to be committed to others and have succesful relationships. But until then, people will fight for the same rights and designations.

Until then maybe we can call it all "gay marriage".
 
Leafovic said:
I'm not religious at all..and nobody from the Balkans is all that serious imo...my dad drank, he ate pork, and so did we.

Islam is as bad if not worse.
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It's because you Balkans folks were normal Europeans who were forcibly converted to Islam by Ottoman sultans and had to put on a show for your oppressors. I've never known a truly adherent religious Albanian, Bosnian, or Kosovar before.
 
UWHabs said:
Okay, what about we gave women the same rights as men, but in the constitution and all legal documents, they had to be defined as "female people". Would that have been acceptable?
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What if we defined all men as men and all women as women.

Would that have been acceptable?
 
Trust me, I am not great defender of marriage - especially after getting swindled into a legally biding relationship that cost me thousands to get out of.

But I don't see the harm in having a distinction as long as both groups have the identical rights.
 
Since we're seperating things...

Lets have straight drivers licenses and gay drivers licenses. Gay health cards, straight health cards.

Everyone is still equal!
 
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