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The New Division

corksens said:
5 points (1 goal) in his last 10 games.

If it wasn't for one hell of a game against Ottawa his last 15 games were very weak.
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Playoffs

Kadri 7gms 4pts
Ryan 7gms 4pts
Michalek 10gms 5pts
Zibanejaf 10gms 4pts
conacher 8gms 3pts
Spezza 3gms 1pts

And kadri did that playing 13mpg vs. The top defense in hockey.
 
TheMightyIgor said:
Advanced stats in hockey are for fools. The joker referenced in the article is never going to be the Bill James of hockey because such a thing cannot exist. Baseball is made up of independent events. Hockey is made up of dependent events. It's a simple concept that goes over the heads of the advanced stats fools.

A person who brings advanced stats into an argument is a person who has lost the argument.
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I agree and disagree all at the same time. First of all, hockey's "advanced" stats aren't all that ****ing advanced. There's no mathematical formulas like you see in baseball (and even basketball) advanced statistics. They're just counting statistics for the most part, some of them normalized for team factors.

With that said, they provide some valuable insights into what is going on out there. When you use Corsi by itself, it's pretty flawed...but when you include QoC & QoT with it, it paints a much clearer picture of a player's abilities to help maintain puck possession against opposition. P/60 is flawed by itself, but throw QoT in there with it and you can paint a pretty decent picture on how efficient a player is offensively.

Like any statistic, context and quality of data are king. Right now I see a lot of blogs using them in a way that lacks context, and frankly we lack a lot of advanced data to help create the advanced statistics.

The way I see it: Subjective < stats < advanced stats...but none of them are worth **** all if they're not handled in proper context.

I get what you're saying about independent vs dependent, but there are lots of very valuable statistics in other fields that as based on dynamic data sets, that's not a limitation on a properly designed statistic at all. Without understanding what the statistic is telling you (or not telling you) no statistic will add value to a discussion, ever.
 
zeke said:
Playoffs

Kadri 7gms 4pts
Ryan 7gms 4pts
Michalek 10gms 5pts
Zibanejaf 10gms 4pts
conacher 8gms 3pts
Spezza 3gms 1pts

And kadri did that playing 13mpg vs. The top defense in hockey.
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And Spezza & Michalek each did it on one leg, and against the two best teams in the East.
 
Volcanologist said:
Ridiculous.
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I normally don't agree with Holmes but he makes a valid point. When your team is up 4-1 in Game 7 with mere minutes remaining your job as a #1 is to shut the door on the other team, Riemer dropped the ball by giving up 3 goals in a quick span. I'm not laying the entire collapse on his feet but still a legit #1 does not shit the bed like that.
 
Rask did it in the cup finals. Guess he isn't a number 1 either. Too bad cause they sure paid him like one.

Shit happens.
 
Pronger84 said:
I normally don't agree with Holmes but he makes a valid point. When your team is up 4-1 in Game 7 with mere minutes remaining your job as a #1 is to shut the door on the other team, Riemer dropped the ball by giving up 3 goals in a quick span. I'm not laying the entire collapse on his feet but still a legit #1 does not shit the bed like that.
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Martin Brodeur isn't a legitimate number one?

[video=youtube;0Aiin4D31xY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Aiin4D31xY[/video]
 
[video=youtube;gN-4EyQzZVk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN-4EyQzZVk[/video]

goal 2 is a sweet lalimer.

cowen being cowen on goals 1 and 3, too.
 
leafman101 said:
Rask did it in the cup finals. Guess he isn't a number 1 either. Too bad cause they sure paid him like one.
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That was a bit different, a 2-1 lead is fragile at best Chicago tied it up and manged to win. Yea I agree though Raask should been a lot better then he was.
 
You're damn right it was different.

Talking about an inconsequential first round series versus a Stanley Cup Finals elimination game.
 
[video=youtube;x5Y3bMlccKI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Y3bMlccKI[/video]

more sweet pyloning by cowen on goals 1 and 2, with another beauty lalimer by anderson on the 2nd one, and swiss cheesing on the rest.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
You're damn right it was different.

Talking about an inconsequential first round series versus a Stanley Cup Finals elimination game.
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Inconsequential? The leafs were had a solid lead in Game 7 and were mere minutes away from advancing to the 2nd round. The Bruins had a fragile lead 2-1 which is easy to tie up, I'm not defending the Bruins but really the two situations are incredibly different.
 
Pronger84 said:
Inconsequential? The leafs were had a solid lead in Game 7 and were mere minutes away from advancing to the 2nd round. The Bruins had a fragile lead 2-1 which is easy to tie up, I'm not defending the Bruins but really the two situations are incredibly different.
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Yes, inconsequential.

If you think that the first round and the Stanley Cup Finals are on the same level of importance there is no helping you.

And if you think it's so easy to tie up, please regail us with the history of last minute two goal comebacks in Stanley Cup Finals elimination games.

I'm a man of history and I can tell you that they are perilously rare for a reason. Why do you think Chicago's performance was so utterly stunning?
 
SENSible said:
The interesting conclusion the stats guy arrived at in relation to our teams is that the Leafs benefitted far more from their artificially high shooting % than the Sens did from their artificially high SV%.

With the skill coming back into the Sens lineup and the quality of goaltending they should get from Andersson and Lehner it looks like the Sens should be taking a big step forward this season.

The Leafs should get similar goaltending from Reimer/Bernier combo to what they had last year, but will be unlikely to maintain their shooting % and thus will likely see a drop in their GF along with the standings.
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The Sens SV% is completely unstainstable and they will see a rise in their GA along with the standings.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Yes, inconsequential.

If you think that the first round and the Stanley Cup Finals are on the same level of importance there is no helping you.
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I never said they were on the same level, what I said was the leads blown were 2 different things one was a lead that never should have slipped away the other was a much more fragile one, 2-1 all it takes is to score 1 and its a brand new game.
 
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