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OT: American Politics

leaffan2005 said:
Peaceful protestors are getting arrested and attacked. You seem to be very upset over violence against police.
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Wrong, they knew what they signed up for when they became cops. I just won't condemn them for trying to defend themselves.


A lot more than years of violence against black America at the hands of police. Similar to the rage you had over Hilary's emails and the laissez-faire attitude you have over the Orange Buffoon.
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This is nonsensical


At the end of the day these people are on their last straw. This is what its come to. Peaceful protests, taking a knee, etc. have not led to change. Your point about the violence having to end before the message is heard is a typical White American viewpoint from somebody who has likely never gone through the level of discrimination these people feel on a daily basis.
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I'm not condemning the protests in the least. I'm condemning the lack of focus on the nightly victims. You make it out to be that force is unnecessary at all, have you seen some of the violence at police? Is never the civilians fault with you guys, it's always the polices.

For the third time it's ridiculous to chalk up the looting and violence to a few bad apples yet condemn the entire police force for a few bad apples. What a double standard.
 
I don’t think arresting, tear gassing and shooting rubber bullets at peaceful protesters is stopping the looting though.

but yes, by all means they should be focused on stopping the looting and arson.
 
worm said:
i am mocking you and where you focus lies
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Where does my focus lie worm? Ive been pretty clear in my disdain. It's time to acknowledge that this needs to stop as more and more innocents are getting harmed, either by police or looters.

I'm fucking aware of systemic racism, which has decreased from 30 years ago btw, but you will NEVER eliminate all of it. The best you can hope for is a reduction to nominal incidents.
 
Yeah, clearly their approach is not working. Maybe don't arrest and smoke bomb peaceful protestors and the temperature will be turned down on this thing?

And no I don't condone violence of any kind. A lot of videos have been posted here and on Twitter. Kindly look through them and you will see many where violence was incited by police and peaceful protestors were not treated according to their constitutional rights.
 
leafman101 said:
I don’t think arresting, tear gassing and shooting rubber bullets at peaceful protesters is stopping the looting though.

but yes, by all means they should be focused on stopping the looting and arson.
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I agree.

They need a better plan which they apparently don't have other than "roll the tanks".
 
leaffan2005 said:
Yeah, clearly their approach is not working. Maybe don't arrest and smoke bomb peaceful protestors and the temperature will be turned down on this thing?

And no I don't condone violence of any kind. A lot of videos have been posted here and on Twitter. Kindly look through them and you will see many where violence was incited by police and peaceful protestors were not treated according to their constitutional rights.
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There are just as many showing "protesters" inciting the violence.
 
Habsy said:
I'm fucking aware of systemic racism, which has decreased from 30 years ago btw, but you will NEVER eliminate all of it.
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Not like this you won't.

But it's absolutely possible to eliminate systemic racism. Shit, even just trying would be a massive step forward.
 
Habsy said:
There are just as many showing "protesters" inciting the violence.
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Right. And for those situations returning force is acceptable.

But cops are and should be held to a higher standard than the general public. They shouldn't be allowed the tear gas peaceful protests just because miles away some buffoon was being violent against a different police department.
 
The whole point of accusing protesters of violence, looting, rioting, outside evil influence (same thing for eons) is to try to delegimitize their grievances and make sure the broader population doesn't hear them.
 
MindzEye said:
Not like this you won't.

But it's absolutely possible to eliminate systemic racism. Shit, even just trying would be a massive step forward.
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Agreed on both parts.

Is it fair to ignore or condone others having their lives destroyed because of it though? I don't accept racism and am vocal in public whenever I see bullshit like that. I also am vocal on injustice and this is just more of it.
 
Habsy said:
I wonder how some of you would feel if your business was destroyed by looters.
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Better than I would feel having somebody kneel on my neck for 9 minutes.

Such a dumb argument you are making. Yeah, we all think it's great that small businesses are getting their stores set on fire. Brilliant accusation.
 
leaffan2005 said:
Right. And for those situations returning force is acceptable.

But cops are and should be held to a higher standard than the general public. They shouldn't be allowed the tear gas peaceful protests just because miles away some buffoon was being violent against a different police department.
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I wonder how you would react when outnumbered 500 to 1 in some instances. It's easy to be an armchair QB isn't it? It's like asking a white person what is like to be black.
 
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