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The Motherfucking 2021 Season Thread

Whereas i feel very good about #7 ga/gm and #6 xga/60.

They have literally been elite #2 dmen their entire careers, btw.
 
Talking about right now, not their entire careers. And right now with no offense in their games, and Muzz looking like he’s lost a step, I’m content with calling them #2 guys, but they’re probably closer to #3 than #1.
 
Muzz and Brodie are legit top pairing dmen and borderline #1 good. I get the argument though, because, the difference between them and legit elite talent like Rielly is big. Much bigger than the difference between #30 and #60.

You could say the same thing about Matthews and whoever the #27-35 centers too etc.
 
"No offense to speak of"

Even Strength PPG, last 2yrs:

1. Carlson .65
2. Makar .53
3. Josi .52
4. Letang .50
5. Hamilton.50
6. Ellis .48
7. Theodore .47
8. Weegar .47
9. Hedman .45
10. Nurse .45
11. Chabot .44
12. Ekblad .44
13. McAvoy .44
14. Werenski .43
15. Rielly .42
16. Fox .41
17. Barrie .41
18. Pietrangelo .40
19. Burns .40
20. Petry .40
21. Hughes .40
22. Muzzin: .39
23. Girard .39
24. Slavin .39
25. Ekholm .38
26. Brodin .37
27. Toews .37
28. Pulock .37
29. Heiskanen .37
30. Suter .36
31. Jones .36
32. Krug .35
 
zeke said:
"No offense to speak of"

Even Strength PPG, last 2yrs:

1. Carlson .65
2. Makar .53
3. Josi .52
4. Letang .50
5. Hamilton.50
6. Ellis .48
7. Theodore .47
8. Weegar .47
9. Hedman .45
10. Nurse .45
11. Chabot .44
12. Ekblad .44
13. McAvoy .44
14. Werenski .43
15. Rielly .42
16. Fox .41
17. Barrie .41
18. Pietrangelo .40
19. Burns .40
20. Petry .40
21. Hughes .40
22. Muzzin: .39
23. Girard .39
24. Slavin .39
25. Ekholm .38
26. Brodin .37
27. Toews .37
28. Pulock .37
29. Heiskanen .37
30. Suter .36
31. Jones .36
32. Krug .35
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This year? And for Brodie too?
 
MindzEye said:
If we were making a list of defenders, you're going to have Muzzin & Brodie in your top 45, full stop.
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Sure, if you want to say there are 31 top pairs out there, 62 total top pair dmen, they are on that list.

But because they're firmly somewhere in that 32-62 category, not because they're in the 1-32 category.

I'd say Muzz was in it before, but not this year. Brodie maybe before too, but he has very little offense to his game to ever call him a #1.
 
We often go by reputation of a #1 D. TJ Brodie is a much better signing and is better this year than Pietrangelo.
This is the best Leafs D since 93'.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Sure, if you want to say there are 31 top pairs out there, 62 total top pair dmen, they are on that list.

But because they're firmly somewhere in that 32-62 category, not because they're in the 1-32 category.
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So for Muzzin specifically...Zeke posted a list of top producing defenders at 5 on 5, who vaults ahead of him? If Muzzin is 22nd offensively, who behind him is so much better defensively than he is that the deserve to be considered ahead of him?

That list is 32 deep, and I see a handful of names on it behind him that there's just no argument for being better. Krug, Suter, Pulock, Brodin. Looking above him, there's another group of names that I struggle to see as better than Muzzin as well: Barrie, Hughes, Werenski, Weegar, Nurse.

I have a hard time believing that there are going to be a lot of names in the next tier of defenders (#33+) who are so impactful that they leap over Muzzin.

So yeah, even conservatively, Muzzin is probably a top 25 defender in the league.
 
Preston said:
I like defenders that defend. Brodie probably does that better than any Leaf.
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The only question I have about Brodie is whether or not he can carry water in offensive transition for a top pairing. He's had two of the best in hockey beside him to do that for a long time now. If you can't transition north, you find yourself stuck in your own end way more than you need to be.

At a glance he looks like he has the skill set for it, but we've just never seen him have to do it.
 
Two years ago, Brodie's offensive numbers were cut in half...may have been a conscious decision to prioritize defending.
 
MindzEye said:
The only question I have about Brodie is whether or not he can carry water in offensive transition for a top pairing. He's had two of the best in hockey beside him to do that for a long time now. If you can't transition north, you find yourself stuck in your own end way more than you need to be.

At a glance he looks like he has the skill set for it, but we've just never seen him have to do it.
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Yeah, not sure he's that guy but I don't care about that or about labels. He's exactly what this team has lacked for 5-10 years really. Whether you want to call him a 1, 2 or 3 it's hard for me to custom pick a better name out there for the Leafs especially at that contract.
 
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