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LeafGm said:
If I had to choose between going vegan and a premature death, I might just have to go with death.
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I want to eat healthier, and I want to like vegan food, but man, they don't make it easy. Other than a handful of dishes, whenever I get something vegan, the best they can do is usually "does not make me want to choke on the food".

I mean, it's getting better than it was a few years ago. But even with all the other reasons people switch, it still has a long way to go.
 
UWHabs said:
I want to eat healthier, and I want to like vegan food, but man, they don't make it easy. Other than a handful of dishes, whenever I get something vegan, the best they can do is usually "does not make me want to choke on the food".

I mean, it's getting better than it was a few years ago. But even with all the other reasons people switch, it still has a long way to go.
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One trick is to avoid vegan food that tries to replicate non-vegan food. So no fake ‘cheeze’ or anything like that.

But there is tons of good vegan food out there. Just takes some time to find it and learn how to DIY
 
Mark Bittman’s “VB6” (vegan before 6) presents an interesting way to have a mostly plant based diet. Maybe trying veggie before six is more attainable for people who want dairy.

Anyway, the point is you can still have a deep fried buffalo after 6pm.

 
Wayward DP said:
One trick is to avoid vegan food that tries to replicate non-vegan food. So no fake ‘cheeze’ or anything like that.

But there is tons of good vegan food out there. Just takes some time to find it and learn how to DIY
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100%. Where vegan or vegetarian food goes most awry is when it tries to come up with shitty facsimiles of animal products that pretty much always end up being less healthy and far worse tasting than what they’re trying to imitate.

Just stick with the genuine article—beans, legumes, potatoes, rice, mushrooms, veggies, etc. Plenty of good meals you can whip up with those instead of an ultra-processed slurry trying very hard to look like a beef burger.
 
thehabhater said:
I am vegan. I had to go vegan on doctor’s orders owing to having dangerous cholesterol levels. In the 5 years that I have been vegan. My cholesterol has vastly improved.
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On one hand, it's embarrassing how much we really know with certainty, but on the other hand we have an unbelievable amount of data and studies available for review. Which has led to massive problems with misinformation and conflicting conclusions.

So I'm not saying to listen to me over your doctor (I am not a doctor, and don't even play one on Forum Ice!) but from what I understand, only as much as 20% of your cholesterol comes from what you eat. I would assume that the vast majority of your improvements would therefore come from medications or lifestyle changes instead.

Obviously I know nothing about your personal medical history, but if it was me I would definitely seek out a 2nd opinion (or at least talk to your doc again) because the vegan diet leads to less than optimal health in a number of areas.

www.health.harvard.edu

How it’s made: Cholesterol production in your body - Harvard Health

Excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is a key contributor to artery-clogging plaque, which can accumulate and set the stage for a heart attack. But cholesterol production is also vital to your hea...
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Cholesterol also is needed to make vitamin D, hormones (including testosterone and estrogen), and fat-dissolving bile acids. In fact, cholesterol production is so important that your liver and intestines make about 80% of the cholesterol you need to stay healthy. Only about 20% comes from the foods you eat.
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I'll toss out a like because it seems that doctor is out of date with the latest research. But as always, speak to your doctor, challenge him and seek a second opinion if necessary. 👊
 
axlsalinger said:
On one hand, it's embarrassing how much we really know with certainty, but on the other hand we have an unbelievable amount of data and studies available for review. Which has led to massive problems with misinformation and conflicting conclusions.

So I'm not saying to listen to me over your doctor (I am not a doctor, and don't even play one on Forum Ice!) but from what I understand, only as much as 20% of your cholesterol comes from what you eat. I would assume that the vast majority of your improvements would therefore come from medications instead.

Obviously I know nothing about your personal medical history, but if it was me I would definitely seek out a 2nd opinion (or at least talk to your doc again) because the vegan diet leads to less than optimal health in a number of areas.

www.health.harvard.edu

How it’s made: Cholesterol production in your body - Harvard Health

Excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is a key contributor to artery-clogging plaque, which can accumulate and set the stage for a heart attack. But cholesterol production is also vital to your hea...
www.health.harvard.edu www.health.harvard.edu
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Yeah, a doctor prescribing veganism to someone struck me as odd too.

I’d be curious to know if they’re vegan themselves.
 
LeafGm said:
Yeah, a doctor prescribing veganism to someone struck me as odd too.

I’d be curious to know if they’re vegan themselves.
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I was given a choice, meds for life, or go vegan.

I chose the latter. And I am still not on meds to this day for anything.

My family has a history of high blood pressure. I don't.
My father died at age 57 of a heart attack, and my mother has suffered 4 strokes.

Forgive me if I stick to something that is working.
 
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thehabhater said:
I was given a choice, meds for life, or go vegan.

I chose the latter. And I am still not on meds to this day for anything.

My family has a history of high blood pressure. I don't.
My father died at age 57 of a heart attack, and my mother has suffered 4 strokes.

Forgive me if I stick to something that is working.
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I don’t like it myself when anyone tries to evangelize others on why their diet of choice is what everyone should be following. So if my posts came across as criticism of your dietary choices, that wasn’t intended.

If you like your diet and it’s working for you health-wise, then absolutely there’s no reason to switch it up.
 
No such thing as a one-size fits all diet. And while extreme diets like veganism are usually not the optimal choice for the majority, doesn't mean it can't work for some. TLDR: stick to what works 👊
 
LeafGm said:
100%. Where vegan or vegetarian food goes most awry is when it tries to come up with shitty facsimiles of animal products that pretty much always end up being less healthy and far worse tasting than what they’re trying to imitate.

Just stick with the genuine article—beans, legumes, potatoes, rice, mushrooms, veggies, etc. Plenty of good meals you can whip up with those instead of an ultra-processed slurry trying very hard to look like a beef burger.
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exactly. we have two different veggie burger recipes we make regularly, one black bean based, the other sweet potato and white bean based. and if we were more inspired, there are many more veggie burger recipes that are more complex and elaborate. we just use the ones we do cause they're fairly easy to whip up a double recipes' worth of burgers.

can also mass produce and then freeze. applies to not only burgers, but things like veggie pasta sauces or soups.

but my lunch this week just happens to be vegan (i.e. we made a new recipe that allows us to use a bunch of fresh produce, happens to be vegan). black bean and corn salad (I added quinoa for sustenance) with an olive oil/lime dressing. bell peppers, cilantro, jalapenos, a few others things. voila.
 
axlsalinger said:
Obviously I know nothing about your personal medical history, but if it was me I would definitely seek out a 2nd opinion (or at least talk to your doc again) because the vegan diet leads to less than optimal health in a number of areas.
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what is the basis of the bolded?
 
thehabhater said:
I was given a choice, meds for life, or go vegan.

I chose the latter. And I am still not on meds to this day for anything.

My family has a history of high blood pressure. I don't.
My father died at age 57 of a heart attack, and my mother has suffered 4 strokes.

Forgive me if I stick to something that is working.
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it also is much, much better for the planet we live in. so there's that, too. win-win all around.
 
Wayward DP said:
nah fuck the Sobey's and Superstore produce, gimme dat farm fresh goodness
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Sure but my point is the healthy stuff isn’t packaged in a box labelled with health claims like “gluten free” “all natural” “no trans fats” etc etc
 
Preston said:
I'll toss out a like because it seems that doctor is out of date with the latest research. But as always, speak to your doctor, challenge him and seek a second opinion if necessary. 👊
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Don’t know what works until you’re dead
 
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