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worm said:
This is what baffles me about USA. Germany was in a bad spot when Hitler took over. The USA is not in that spot though they seem determined to self destruct
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the romans let Caesar take over to "fix" the republic while it was still pretty much peaking.
 
MindzEye said:
That's what Trump says now because it's what serves him now. When Trump had the ability to show that he believed in the American state/cause, he developed bone spurs.
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this is fair but i actually don't think trump's a pussy. if he was dirt poor like adolf and lives back then when war was way more normal i could see him enlsiting.
 
worm said:
This is what baffles me about USA. Germany was in a bad spot when Hitler took over. The USA is not in that spot though they seem determined to self destruct
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But they convinced people that they were in that spot. They convinced people that they need to follow Argentina's way, who did what they did out of pure desperation. Imagine the economic envy of the world believing they need to copy Argentina?
 
Preston said:
But they convinced people that they were in that spot. They convinced people that they need to follow Argentina's way, who did what they did out of pure desperation. Imagine the economic envy of the world believing they need to copy Argentina?
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That is part of the reason I'm baffled.

American used to be annoyingly arrogant. Now they think they suck (well they do now).
 
worm said:
That is part of the reason I'm baffled.

American used to be annoyingly arrogant. Now they think they suck (well they do now).
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Have to tip your cap. That was god-tier messaging by the Republicans. Buying a social media site that spits out endless propaganda sure did help though.
 
MindzEye said:
It's 100% an ideology. It's Trumpism. All of the WW2 fascisms were different from one another around certain common themes. Italian fascism was different than nazism, was different than the Francoists. Trumpism is a modern recipe of an old dish. Trump definitely believe in the infallibility of Trump and that's his core motivating principle and he's using bog standard fascism to re organize American society around his Trumpist beliefs. Anywhere he lacks specific ideologies necessary for the organization of the state, he's allowed people who lick his ass to step in (a core tenet of Trumpism is that his ass must get licked) and fill those specific organizational gaps.
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I guess ultimately it depends on how you define the word ideology, I don't think it fits in the traditional sense because there are no actual ideas here, it really is just Trump believing in the infallibility of Trump and somehow a bunch of stupid people decided to follow him like he's the pied piper. Which circles back to the way I prefer to describe Trumpism, which is that it's a cult.

This situation truly is unprecedented, with such a wide range of potential outcomes. There's really no point in shitting your pants every day like WeHave does. Be wary as fuck, and as a country we need to do all the things we've talked about like working out trade with other countries, becoming more European, etc. But don't give up, because no one knows what's going to happen.

We all wanted Trump to lose 60-40 in the last election, but he didn't. Maybe the American people needed to see this clown show for themselves to fully understand the dangers of an idiocracy.

Bottom line, I do agree that Trumpism is dangerous, and also that we need to turn the rhetoric down because it's gotten out of control, and also that Wayne Gretzky is a stupid poopyhead, and that the NHL are fascists for not scheduling a Maple Leafs game on Saturday night.
 
zeke said:
Trump hates only what the marxist globalists have done to america, not the "real americans", just like hitler hated what the marxist globalists had done to germany.

They both hated the "enemy within".
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Trump hates his base even more than his enemies.
 
worm said:
This is what baffles me about USA. Germany was in a bad spot when Hitler took over. The USA is not in that spot though they seem determined to self destruct
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It's a great point. Shooting yourself in the foot for no reason is quite a decision for a country to make.
 
worm said:
The one time I met Wayne (and Walter) was at his own restaurant at the arena. He got in line for his perogies and then looked at them and put his plate back and didn't get food. Walter did though.
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I never met him in person (although my brother did as his wife used to work for Peller) The only time I ever actually saw him in person (other than the games I attended) was in the summer of 1981. I was walking down Atwater across the street from the Forum and both he and Messier, who had just left practice in advance of the 81 Canada Cup, crossed over to my side of the street and got into a cab.
 
Preston said:
Fwiw Bobby Orr was a cunt to me at the ohl draft long long ago. I disliked him before it was cool to dislike him.
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Pretty sure that was just you. I have a ton of "good" Bobby stories that showed he was a great person and unlike Gretzky, Orr WAS my boyhood idol and the first celebrity I had ever met in person so when he took out that ad for Trump in 2020 I was both sad and angry. Part of my childhood had been ripped away.
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hockeylover said:
I just don’t really know where the line is for Trump supporters. It seems like one doesn’t exist. At what point do we say that if you’re still supporting him, you might be a bad person? What does Trump have to do before someone shoveling your driveway isn’t enough?
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Not have a tear in their eye while they're loading me into a train car?
 
axlsalinger said:
I guess ultimately it depends on how you define the word ideology, I don't think it fits in the traditional sense because there are no actual ideas here, it really is just Trump believing in the infallibility of Trump and somehow a bunch of stupid people decided to follow him like he's the pied piper. Which circles back to the way I prefer to describe Trumpism, which is that it's a cult.
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An ideology is the core set of ideas you organize the state around. If the infallibility of Trump is that core organizing thought, Trumpism is an ideology. It's post facto in nature. Once the state has been reorganized around it, it's now an ideology. I think we can comfortably say that we're past that point, and that clear attempts were made during Trump 1 to organize the state around him, they've just succeeded this time around to a far greater degree where it's very nearly complete.
 
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