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GDT | Game 81 | vs Chicago - 98 vs 93 | Monday, April 14th | 7:00 PM EDT

Habsy said:
Yeah you're looking at this myopically and not in a game situation vein. The 30,000 foot view you're using doesn't tell the whole story.

Goaltending let this team down a lot.
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Speaking of myopia, I think that some reporter needs to ask the question about Monty's eyesight. I'd like to believe that those 50 footers that get past him have something to do with him needing contact lenses rather than that he's just not very good at goalie-ing.
 
I know I'm trying to be fair to him. He's not a 60 starts goalie, that's not his fault, and it's also not his fault that he gets outshot most of the time. He made a bunch of key clutch saves through the year, and also let the team down a few times. I'm my view the balance is a net positive.

People seems to understate how bad our defense was all year.
 
Habsy said:
Yeah I said that months ago. It's a little weird.
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Unfortunately it is never weird to see sports journalists not named Rick Westhead failing to do their jobs. Surely there must be at least one beat reporter in the Bell Centre press box who's thought that maybe Monty has trouble seeing objects at a distance. It's a legitimate question. You're asking if he's seen an optometrist, not if he's tested positive for the clap or something.
 
GrandWazoo said:
I know I'm trying to be fair to him. He's not a 60 starts goalie, that's not his fault, and it's also not his fault that he gets outshot most of the time. He made a bunch of key clutch saves through the year, and also let the team down a few times. I'm my view the balance is a net positive.

People seems to understate how bad our defense was all year.
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Again. Doesn't matter when Monty plays to his career average.

The goaltending is not a net positive. At 0.900 it's at best a wash and that's me being generous. Too many times he let the team go down in a game. Then the team has to open it up to catch up which causes even more D failures. As I said, if you look at it game by game and minute by minute instead of the aggregate, the goaltending was nowhere near solid.
 
Habsy said:
Again. Doesn't matter when Monty plays to his career average.

The goaltending is not a net positive. At 0.900 it's at best a wash and that's me being generous. Too many times he let the team go down in a game. Then the team has to open it up to catch up which causes even more D failures. As I said, if you look at it game by game and minute by minute instead of the aggregate, the goaltending was nowhere near solid.
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Like last night. He has to stop the 3rd goal. The second one was stoppable too. It was a big game, he was just okay. Not good enough.
 
Krustchev said:
Like last night. He has to stop the 3rd goal. The second one was stoppable too. It was a big game, he was just okay. Not good enough.
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I don't fault him for any of the goals but do agree they weren't difficult shots. He needed to come up big.

Dobes made several stops on Saturday that nobody would have blamed him had they gone in.

Situational hockey is critical, can't just say the goalie made stellar saves after it doesn't matter whether he did or not because the game was already out of reach.
 
Habsy said:
I don't fault him for any of the goals but do agree they weren't difficult shots. He needed to come up big.

Dobes made several stops on Saturday that nobody would have blamed him had they gone in.

Situational hockey is critical, can't just say the goalie made stellar saves after it doesn't matter whether he did or not because the game was already out of reach.
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Yeah but his expected saves . . .
 
Habsy said:
I don't fault him for any of the goals but do agree they weren't difficult shots. He needed to come up big.

Dobes made several stops on Saturday that nobody would have blamed him had they gone in.

Situational hockey is critical, can't just say the goalie made stellar saves after it doesn't matter whether he did or not because the game was already out of reach.
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That's Monty's pattern. Let in a muffin to break his own team's back and then make a handful of ten bell saves when the final outcome is already a foregone conclusion. It shakes the confidence of his team when they know that they can't rely on him. They either spend the whole game trying to fill the hole in the muffin tray or they play in fear of the next muffin given away that will sink them. No lead is ever safe.

I'm not saying he needs to be Price reincarnate but he needs to be more of a sure thing than he is. It's not good enough.
 
he was weak on the breakaway but hard to fault him on the other two

On the breakaway, one could blame both 48 and 93 for their actions on it. 48 charged at their forward and left the bum alone down the middle, probably thinking 93 had him but 93 was gassed and could not get back
 
But if you're giving up a muffin per outing you aren't going to win a lot of games. I hear the same defense of Monty every game, win or lose.

"Yeah, well there was that one shot he really should have had but the other three weren't his fault."

Did it ever occur to these people that the reason there were 2 or 3 other goals scored against us is because he allowed the muffin and demoralized his teammates?

Every goddamn game he lets in a softie. He may as well be Stu Skinner.
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
he was weak on the breakaway but hard to fault him on the other two

On the breakaway, one could blame both 48 and 93 for their actions on it. 48 charged at their forward and left the bum alone down the middle, probably thinking 93 had him but 93 was gassed and could not get back
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Throw 21 in that blame too. Guhle is not the guy that should be pinching as much as he does. He played quite stupidly yesterday. All game.
 
Habsy said:
I don't fault him for any of the goals but do agree they weren't difficult shots. He needed to come up big.

Dobes made several stops on Saturday that nobody would have blamed him had they gone in.

Situational hockey is critical, can't just say the goalie made stellar saves after it doesn't matter whether he did or not because the game was already out of reach.
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There is very few situations in a game where saves are not important. All saves were important yesterday. And Saturday, and Friday, and the game before that, etc.
 
GrandWazoo said:
There is very few situations in a game where saves are not important. All saves were important yesterday. And Saturday, and Friday, and the game before that, etc.
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You're rationalizing.

Situational hockey is a thing. It's a thing in all sports. Monty forces himself and the team to battle back too often.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
But if you're giving up a muffin per outing you aren't going to win a lot of games. I hear the same defense of Monty every game, win or lose.

"Yeah, well there was that one shot he really should have had but the other three weren't his fault."

Did it ever occur to these people that the reason there were 2 or 3 other goals scored against us is because he allowed the muffin and demoralized his teammates?

Every goddamn game he lets in a softie. He may as well be Stu Skinner.
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Unless we can have an objective definition of a muffins, it's not an argument I'm interested in.
 
GrandWazoo said:
Unless we can have an objective definition of a muffins, it's not an argument I'm interested in.
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It's like the old legal argument about what constitutes pornography. You know it when you see it.

And, more importantly, players know it when they see it and they react accordingly. When they play demoralized, they know it was a muffin.
 
Habsy said:
You're rationalizing.

Situational hockey is a thing. It's a thing in all sports. Monty forces himself and the team to battle back too often.
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Maybe you should rationalize too. :)

Monty forces the team to battle back? The same team that is famous for slow starts and getting blown away in the first period?

When the game is tied, you can't allow a goal as it will give the other team the lead.
When you're behind, you can't allow a goal as you need to keep your team in.
When you're ahead, you can't allow a goal as you don't want to let the other team back in it.

No matter what goal he lets in, it's always at a bad moment.
 
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