GrandWazoo
Well-known member
Must not be because we're generally disagreeing during a game.
GDT | Game 81 | vs Chicago - 98 vs 93 | Monday, April 14th | 7:00 PM EDT
- Thread starter WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
- Start date
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
I will get banned again soon, worry not.
Just watch the players if you're unsure. No matter what they say to the media, their body language speaks volumes when they've been gut-punched by a bad goal against.
Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
Not all goals are created equal. That's where your hypothesis fails.Maybe you should rationalize too.
Monty forces the team to battle back? The same team that is famous for slow starts and getting blown away in the first period?
When the game is tied, you can't allow a goal as it will give the other team the lead.
When you're behind, you can't allow a goal as you need to keep your team in.
When you're ahead, you can't allow a goal as you don't want to let the other team back in it.
No matter what goal he lets in, it's always at a bad moment.
Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
He's talking about the gerbils on his tv
GrandWazoo
Well-known member
Are they not? Do we have goals that counts for 2?
I'll agree that the last 5 minutes of a game, and overtime, is more critical. Everything else is pretty much equals.
Some goals are a bit back breaker if that's what you're talking about, like last minute of a period, and in the next 1-2 minutes after scoring a goal. Everything else though?
Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
Considering you just contradicted yourself I'll take that as a concession.
While all goals count as one not all are created equal in the context of momentum and situation.
But you already know this.
Bottom line is that the Habs still need more competent and consistently good, not consistently meh, goaltending. Hopefully Fowler eventually brings that.
Sal_Butera
Well-known member
Why is there any debate about Diekembe? A waiver wire pickup who’s surpassed all expectations… it’s a grandslam!
The entire goal now should be how to maximize his performance to flip him for max return - think Diekembe isn’t a better option than what Edm, Canes, Buf & a plethora of other teams have presently?
With his very digestible AAV at 2yr term remaining, there’s a good value deal to be had this summer w some team overpaying for his services. The objective now, is to get him some playoff experience…
The entire goal now should be how to maximize his performance to flip him for max return - think Diekembe isn’t a better option than what Edm, Canes, Buf & a plethora of other teams have presently?
With his very digestible AAV at 2yr term remaining, there’s a good value deal to be had this summer w some team overpaying for his services. The objective now, is to get him some playoff experience…
GrandWazoo
Well-known member
I agree with the last part.
And while I agree about the situational in specific cases, that's generally not the behavior I've seen here, and I would need to see data supporting the sentiment. Because what I'm seeing is that every goal he gives comes at a bad time. Give the first goal of the game when shots are 15-4, he can't keep his team in. Give up a tying goal on any occasion, he can't protect a lead. Or... can you just make a fucking stop right after he made 3 incredible clutch ones?
Fact is he gave us a chance to win pretty much every game, and no not all goals were pretty, but he generally kept it close, which is ultimately what you want from a goalie.
Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
He most certainly did not give us a chance to win pretty much every game. Stop it already.
And you can find the data showing the early and late period goals. You can look at the footage to determine if the goal was of the meh to bad category. It's all there.
This is a case of the tree getting lost in the forest which is what GSaE does btw.
And you can find the data showing the early and late period goals. You can look at the footage to determine if the goal was of the meh to bad category. It's all there.
This is a case of the tree getting lost in the forest which is what GSaE does btw.
BINGO POST
GrandWazoo
Well-known member
Out of his 61 games, I count maybe 6-7 that he did not give us a chance.
You're disregard for GSaE combined with your love for save % is interesting. Those advanced metrics literally breaks down save % per category of scoring chances. It pretty much exactly tell how many where muffins, meh, or wow saves.
Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
Actually our discussion isn't really about Montembeault but goaltending in general. Montembeault is simply being used as the epitome of meh, serviceable if you will.
To your point however, the Habs should have not traded Allen if they wanted a competent backup. They didn't really care with the stage the rebuild was at so when the rebuild accelerated unexpectedly, it showed the glaring need for at least 0.910 goaltending.
Of the playoff teams only 3 have a sub 0.906 %
Montreal
Carolina
St. Louis
That's it
Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
Yeah. No.
I know how to use stats. While you think I'm too unforgiving, I think you're too forgiving.
C'est la vie eh?
GrandWazoo
Well-known member
I know how to use stats too, it's pretty much in my job description.
And yes I agree, I think you overindex on the negative while I might do the same on the positive.
I think he had a good season overall behind a terrible defensive team. 30 wins is not nothing, and his nerdies are really good too. He had bad stretches, but goalies in general are no longer what they used to be. Shooters are much better, and equipment is now regulated. Save % in the league is the lowest in like 30 years. I compare him with his peers.
GrandWazoo
Well-known member
30 wins, 7 OTL in 59 starts, that's .568%. Not great, but neither is the team. And yes I know he's average, lots of average goalies in the league.
You can't keep using sv% while refusing GSaX. Also Skinner says hello. Markstrom is worst too.Peers?
No playoff starter has a lower sv% either. I'll let you chew on that one a bit. Maybe Sal could pour you a glass of Rose to wash it down?
I do KPIs every day too my friend.
But can't use save % when the Habs are the second worst team in the league in allowing high danger chances and medium danger chances.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
I will get banned again soon, worry not.
Actually, Stuart Skinner of the Oilers has a .894 SV% this season and is .905 lifetime. His backup, Calvin Pickard, has a .900 SV% this season and is .903 lifetime. Both of them are mediocre on a good day.
Monty is .901 this season and .899 lifetime.
Not good enough.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
I will get banned again soon, worry not.
When I was in Montreal last month, I took the Bell Centre tour (for the 3rd time) because two of the guys on our trip had never taken it. This time I got to see the situation room. Apparently, according to the guide, when they say they're going to the war room in Toronto for a ruling, it's bullshit. There is a war room in Toronto with which they are in contact but the viewing of all the replays and shit is done in house.