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Chicago, Pitt, LA, San Jose etc all seem like terrible opportunities for him.

Why would he go to a shit team to become a saviour?

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If he was interested in playing at a discounted rate, one would think that his hometown quasi contending team would be the ideal opportunity. But he seems intent on bending us over for max money at every opportunity....so occams razor and all of that, kind of suggests that his core motivation is getting paid.
 
Has a weird way of showing it.
Not really. Nobody knows exactly what happened and where things stand. But we can all have our theories.

Mine is that yes, he wanted the big payday. Last summer, he knew the cap would be rising, and he knew that when Matty's deal finishes up in a few years, he would be in line to get $15m, $16M, who knows, if 69 goals became the standard, which would make a $13M deal look shabby for the back half of the deal when Marner is arguably as important as Matty. So yeah, he wanted $14M, which would put him ahead of Matty for a few years as the top paid guy in TO. And that would be awkward to be stuck negotiating mid season. Instead, let the season run, put up some monster points, and finally break through in the playoffs. Then no ask is too big to entertain, and they'd give him $14M to keep everything going smoothly off the heels of new success. And there's nothing more that Mitch wants other than to be paid like a star, be a Leaf for life, and win a Cup here.

He's not telling this to management, of course. He wants to keep the $14M ask under wraps for another year. TO isn't going anywhere and all his buddies and family are there. But Tre is growing concerned as the season goes - why won't he extend? So the Rantanen opportunity arises and he approaches him and says hey, what's up - if you're not planning to extend, then let us trade you, or tell us you want to extend. Marner said no to the trade and surely gave some indication about loving it in Toronto and wanted to stay. Okay. And things were looking good after the Ottawa win and halfway through the Florida series, which maybe we were going to pull out in game 7. And then we didn't, and all the focus went squarely on the guy who was a non-entity in those final games by his usual regular season standards (but to be fair, still had 13 points).

So now the shitstorm of Toronto media hits, and what is or isn't going to happen being discussed 24/7. Tre has his press conference where he bluntly says he's not going to guarantee that Marner and Tavares get offers. This is a dagger for Mitch to hear, even if he wants to chalk it up to posturing for upcoming negotiations (Tavares meanwhile is willing to cut to stay and has been given certain assurances). Marner is feeling the heat of the media pressure since game 7, and now is feeling the team abandon him publicly, so yeah, he's going to feel and maybe even say certain things to make it look like he's not necessarily wedded to being a Leaf. But he is, and as the anger and betrayal washes away over the coming days and weeks, he's going to look at all these limited shit options out there with other teams - most of which won't give him his $14m and probably not his $13M - and he'll burn over not taking the rumored $13.5m that was on the table. And he'll make moves to try to get it back, by talking to other teams and waiting to see what the Leafs do.

Tre probably has moved on and wants to change the DNA of the team in the only way he reasonably can. This guy isn't trading Nylander when he doesn't have to, or entertaining moving on from an injured Matty. Tavares provides immense value and will stay for a fraction of his current cost and fair market value. So obviously Marner is the only realistically moveable chess piece. But Tre has shown he's conservative and frankly not stupid, so he's not going to just fill up the space with trash if it turns out Bennett, Ekblad, Marchand, etc., don't even make it to market. If he can't do better, and if Marner hasn't gotten fed up and signed with another team out of spite (which he won't right out of the gate), then Tre will use his leverage to push Marner's price down, and maybe they can compromise on something. If they can, Tre overhauls half of the forwards we have (bye Kampf, Jarn, Reaves, Domi, Robertson, Holmberg, MaxPac, and maybe even Laughton) and proclaims the DNA changed with the depth totally reshaped behind the big 5, with Cowan added to spark excitement.

That's the situation, and how it plays out.
 
they reportedly offered him 8 * $13.5. That would’ve paid him $170+ million over 14 years to play for his team. His number would be in the rafters. He’d have a statue outside.

It wasn’t exactly difficult for him to stay if that’s all he wanted.
 
Not really.

Really. As mentioned, he could have signed a market rate deal at any time. Literally any time. The rumour among the mediots (who are way too dialed in to this front office and seem to get everything right...) is that Treliving would have signed an 8 x 13.5 with Mitch "if he could". Which means that he can't, because Mitch is asking for more than 8 x 13.5

Demanding to be the highest paid player in the league, despite not remotely being the best player in the league isn't at all showing that "wanting to stay" is high on his priority list. Mucho wants money. He's always wanted money. His demands were fucking ridiculous the first time around and we caved to them. They're ridiculous again and here we are.

Yeah, if he was willing to sign Willy's deal, he's be signed by now.
 
he wants money because he needs validation and that is how he can obtain it. when the market disappoints him (as I expect), we'll see where he turns.
 
If Marner wanted to stay, he could sign the Nylander deal right now. He would be the 8th highest paid player in the league. He could even sell it as taking a hometown discount.
It's not a question of wanting to stay. He wants to stay.

He also wants to be paid what he thinks is fair for a player of his stature. And while the playoff success isn't there, I guarantee that he doesn't view it as something that is solely on him. Matty playing injured the last two post-seasons. Goaltending letting us down here and there when we should be winning (and Stolarz injured as we were humming along). The depth falling short (his viral "wake the fuck up" video demonstrated this). He for sure believes he's a $14M player and will still look to a long track record of regular season performance to believe that he's worth more than Nylander.

But recent events have for sure put a big dent in his confidence in his ability to try to make that belief a reality. $14M isn't happening in Toronto and imo not anywhere. $13.5M that was offered also isn't happening anymore. So now he has to struggle with the new circumstances - he's not going to get what he could've had before, but he's also not going to suddenly drastically drop his value from the offered number because he'll feel they'd be exploiting him. There's for sure a major philosophical impasse that's been created between team and player after the Florida series.

The team potentially has options in pending UFAs that would let it change up a recipe that has come up sour every year. But it doesn't know if it will get a shot at the players they want. Marner knows there are teams out there that will pay him $12M at least, but none of them will appeal to him - take less money than Toronto offered to play for some shit team or in some shit market that isn't the home he's had his whole life?

The Leafs want to move on and nab the Florida guys. If they can, Marner is done. If they can't, and they're smart, they're going to see if there are some 1 year UFA options that might be good enough for another run. If they come up empty on that too, they will definitely be talking to Marner again.
 
they reportedly offered him 8 * $13.5. That would’ve paid him $170+ million over 14 years to play for his team. His number would be in the rafters. He’d have a statue outside.

It wasn’t exactly difficult for him to stay if that’s all he wanted.
I'm not disagreeing that he wanted to get max pay. He did.

If that $13.5M offer was on the table now, he'd jump at it, no question.

But at the time, he felt his role here was cemented and there was no risk in pushing the situation to a point where he could get $14M or more.
 
I'm not disagreeing that he wanted to get max pay. He did.

If that $13.5M offer was on the table now, he'd jump at it, no question.

But at the time, he felt his role here was cemented and there was no risk in pushing the situation to a point where he could get $14M or more.
yah, Mitchie overplayed his hand this season
 
Really. As mentioned, he could have signed a market rate deal at any time. Literally any time. The rumour among the mediots (who are way too dialed in to this front office and seem to get everything right...) is that Treliving would have signed an 8 x 13.5 with Mitch "if he could". Which means that he can't, because Mitch is asking for more than 8 x 13.5

Demanding to be the highest paid player in the league, despite not remotely being the best player in the league isn't at all showing that "wanting to stay" is high on his priority list. Mucho wants money. He's always wanted money. His demands were fucking ridiculous the first time around and we caved to them. They're ridiculous again and here we are.

Yeah, if he was willing to sign Willy's deal, he's be signed by now.
You guys are conflating things.

He can desperately want to stay and desperately want to get paid the max he can get at the same time.

He was looking for the best of both worlds.
 
It's a money thing for Florida though. They're at about 77 million next season on 10F, 5D, 1G. Ekblad is probably their first priority and he's going to push them up to 85-86 million. 10 million to fill in the rest of the roster isn't a lot. This is where smart Florida goes looking for their next Bennett on the cheap most likely.
I don’t think Ekblad is their first priority. I think it’s Bennett.
 
$13.5 * 8 is the second biggest contract in the history of the NHL. He didn’t even negotiate. He could’ve probably gotten more.

He always wanted to test the market. They’ve been saying it all year.
 
Would be damn good tv if the Leafs got Bennett and Ekblad and the Panthers got Marner and they met again in the playoffs next year...
 
You guys are conflating things.

He can desperately want to stay and desperately want to get paid the max he can get at the same time.

He was looking for the best of both worlds.
I’d say fuck off, call his bluff, like they should have 6 years ago.

If he wants to stay, he can settle for top-10 money, ridiculously front-loaded as always.
 
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