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WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Bullshit. What got this case exposure was the revelation that Hockey Canada, an organization that took subsidies from the government (i.e. OUR money) to pay hush money. You dont pay hush money if you're not guilty and paying hush money is a tacit admission of guilt. They were guilty, they used taxpayer money and minor hockey registration money to help cover it all up and, as we also discovered, not for the first time.

Hockey Canada got off light. It should have been pulverized into non-existence. It has way too much power and it is inherently corrupt. Everyone involved in this crime and in its cover up deserves prison time.
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you don't understand how litigation works. The cost to fight it would have been more than the payout. Insurers pay out all the time. Settlements are without prejudice AND include a specific term which states there is no admission of liability involved.

Tax payer money is used for all kinds of dumb stuff, like Khadr, etc. It is what it is. When the cost to fight is higher than the amount, you do the settlement.

If I told you it would cost you 5 million to fight and you might lose or you can get out of it for 3 million today, you would take the 3 million payout.
 
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In any event, the verdict will be brought down on July 24 at 10:00am ET. I expect Wehave to be outside the courthouse protesting if they are found not guilty, or cheering at the same place if they are found guilty.
 
Not in a rape case. If you're innocent you go to trial because things more important than money (and yes, there are some, like your personal reputation and integrity) are in question. Caving and settling is a tacit admission of guilt so if you're not guilty you fight like hell.

If you are guilty, as these players definitely are, you try to make it go away as quickly as possible before the story gets out.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Not in a rape case. If you're innocent you go to trial because things more important than money (and yes, there are some, like your personal reputation and integrity) are in question. Caving and settling is a tacit admission of guilt so if you're not guilty you fight like hell.

If you are guilty, as these players definitely are, you try to make it go away as quickly as possible before the story gets out.
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you don't understand the process so you really should not comment, leave it to legal experts like the ones who settled the case originally and his defence lawyers. You don't have a JD or LL.B so you cannot comment on the process
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
In any event, the verdict will be brought down on July 24 at 10:00am ET. I expect Wehave to be outside the courthouse protesting if they are found not guilty, or cheering at the same place if they are found guilty.
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Count in your vast experience have you ever seen something like this ?

A reached settlement and then back to court
 
I can comment on optics and on justice.

There's a reason why decisions are either "guilty" or "not guilty", rather than guilty or "innocent". Being found "not guilty" isn't the same as being innocent.

But in a rape case, being found merely "not guilty" isn't good enough. It certainly wouldn't be good enough for me if I were so accused. These players may get off legally, but they will always be guilty and they should be hounded every day for the rest of their lives. They should never be allowed to earn a dime in hockey ever again.
 
GEEMAN said:
Count in your vast experience have you ever seen something like this ?

A reached settlement and then back to court
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rare but they are two separate issues.

The crown decided not to proceed last time, didn't think could convict. She wanted $$$. She got her bag. She wanted it to go away. She was happy. Then a number of years later, it was "reinvestigated" and male feminist Trudeau wanted it prosecuted so it was. There are no issues of double jeopardy or anything of the sort as they were never tried criminally for the matter before.
 
It should have been prosecuted the first time and more importantly, the HC executives should have been prosecuted for the cover up. Resigning wasn't sufficient.
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
who hurt you as a child for you to demand "punishment" all the time?
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Who warped your value system so badly as a young law student? You're talking about the law and Im talking about justice. They are not the same. That's why people like Luigi need to exist. What he did was unlawful but it was the textbook definition of "justice".

Legally, these players will likely get a pass. But justice demands that they be punished.
 
You didn't answer. Who hurt you to the point you are so big into "punishment"?

What he did was not "unlawful", it was murder, call it what it was. As an aside, if you are so big on "justice", if they are found not guilty, I expect you to do something about it, take one for the team, go to jail for offing them etc. You talk a good game but sharing memes and ranting on a webboard/X/FB isn't cutting it.
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
You didn't answer. Who hurt you to the point you are so big into "punishment"?

What he did was not "unlawful", it was murder, call it what it was. As an aside, if you are so big on "justice", if they are found not guilty, I expect you to do something about it, take one for the team, go to jail for offing them etc. You talk a good game but sharing memes and ranting on a webboard/X/FB isn't cutting it.
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I think Luigi goes to prison and should. But I also think that he should have statues erected in his honour because he's a working class hero. The billionaire class aren't innocent, merely unindicted. And Luigi knew as well as anyone that the only way any of them will ever face justice is if people like him sacrifice themselves to mete it out.

Equality under the law only exists on paper. In practice, the rich and powerful can buy the system. The only way to make sure they pay is at the point of a gun. They made Luigi necessary by their avarice and greed. I shed no tears for them because when they meet their Luigi they are getting what they so richly deserve: justice.
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
you don't understand how litigation works. The cost to fight it would have been more than the payout. Insurers pay out all the time. Settlements are without prejudice AND include a specific term which states there is no admission of liability involved.

Tax payer money is used for all kinds of dumb stuff, like Khadr, etc. It is what it is. When the cost to fight is higher than the amount, you do the settlement.

If I told you it would cost you 5 million to fight and you might lose or you can get out of it for 3 million today, you would take the 3 million payout.
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show me the money today
 
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