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OT: The Official Toronto Raptors Thread

So uhhh...

For Portland, I get it. Simons is what he is at this point and entering the final year of his deal, after which you probably aren't that interested in extending him at the type of money he's going to want considering his allergy to defence and all. You look over at what Houston just did overpaying a veteran point guard with championship pedigree to come in and be team dad for a bunch of kids and decide to get in on the game. You're all in on Shaedon, Scoot, Camara, and Avdija to move forward with and go get them a really good vet that can still contribute.

What is Boston doing though? I get that next year is a tire fire already because everyone died...but what's the plan here? Teach Simons how to play defence and extend? Let him chuck for a contract and walk? Not sure what Brad is thinking here. It probably would have been more valuable to do a hard reset around whatever good vets were left to keep the championship culture intact and be the scrappy 40 win celtics playing elite level team ball without the skill to beat good teams and just develop kids and reclamation projects in that environment.
 
MindzEye said:
So uhhh...

For Portland, I get it. Simons is what he is at this point and entering the final year of his deal, after which you probably aren't that interested in extending him at the type of money he's going to want considering his allergy to defence and all. You look over at what Houston just did overpaying a veteran point guard with championship pedigree to come in and be team dad for a bunch of kids and decide to get in on the game. You're all in on Shaedon, Scoot, Camara, and Avdija to move forward with and go get them a really good vet that can still contribute.

What is Boston doing though? I get that next year is a tire fire already because everyone died...but what's the plan here? Teach Simons how to play defence and extend? Let him chuck for a contract and walk? Not sure what Brad is thinking here. It probably would have been more valuable to do a hard reset around whatever good vets were left to keep the championship culture intact and be the scrappy 40 win celtics playing elite level team ball without the skill to beat good teams and just develop kids and reclamation projects in that environment.
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Wild this is all they could get for Jrue, but im guessing they rather take a bath here than move White
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Wild this is all they could get for Jrue, but im guessing they rather take a bath here than move White
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Oh, I don't think Jrue had a lot of trade value. He's old and making big boy money. There aren't a lot of teams Jrue is worth ~35 millie a year x 3 to. We're in Lowry to the Heat type territory here (with obvious differences in the contract situation).

But I think this shows that Brad's vision here is just to cut costs now and next summer, the more the better. Simons is a bench shooter for a good team if he even sees the court because his D is that bad/lazy. I wouldn't be surprised if Brad moved off of him for another players who fits their mold a bit better and is even cheaper still.
 
zeke said:
I'd love to shit on the celts but after swapping smart williams williams out for white jrue bargzingis i will never ever doubt brad for a second.
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I don't know how much of this is him necessarily and how much is ownership telling him to shed money because next year is a lost cause. Even after this trade, they're still 15+ million into the 2nd apron.

Like, I'm going to bet that they trade their 28th overall for more 2nds (or for a future 1st) just to not have the guaranteed 2.8 millie owed to a 28th overall type prospect.

He's a brilliant executive, but shedding 15 million more off of that roster is going to be tough
 
MindzEye said:
The main criticism I agree with overall is that we waited too long to detonate it and overall did a pretty meh job at getting value for some of the pieces we moved on from. Probably should have just invested in Norm and traded him later rather than take Gary as his value. S&T's are always tough, but Precious turned out to not be anything close to what Masai thought he was, walking Fred to free agency instead of trading him when he turned down his extension the summer before, almost doing the same thing with Pascal.
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Agreed , maybe regime waited a year too late but if health and everything else went their way better results were expected
 
MindzEye said:
It's the main problem with these trades to get an elite player while giving up fucking everything to get him. You trade away all of your depth, and all of your draft equity to get them. So you're left with an elite player surrounded by not nearly enough to win with.
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I think ownership is the main problem with these deals

They whip out their dicks trying to outdo each other with no understanding of future ramifications

That big 3 in Phoenix had to be the worst defensive group in decades
 
MindzEye said:
I don't know how much of this is him necessarily and how much is ownership telling him to shed money because next year is a lost cause. Even after this trade, they're still 15+ million into the 2nd apron.

Like, I'm going to bet that they trade their 28th overall for more 2nds (or for a future 1st) just to not have the guaranteed 2.8 millie owed to a 28th overall type prospect.

He's a brilliant executive, but shedding 15 million more off of that roster is going to be tough
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Shocked Portland didn’t get more with a tax bill gun at Bostons head
 
MindzEye said:
So uhhh...

For Portland, I get it. Simons is what he is at this point and entering the final year of his deal, after which you probably aren't that interested in extending him at the type of money he's going to want considering his allergy to defence and all. You look over at what Houston just did overpaying a veteran point guard with championship pedigree to come in and be team dad for a bunch of kids and decide to get in on the game. You're all in on Shaedon, Scoot, Camara, and Avdija to move forward with and go get them a really good vet that can still contribute.

What is Boston doing though? I get that next year is a tire fire already because everyone died...but what's the plan here? Teach Simons how to play defence and extend? Let him chuck for a contract and walk? Not sure what Brad is thinking here. It probably would have been more valuable to do a hard reset around whatever good vets were left to keep the championship culture intact and be the scrappy 40 win celtics playing elite level team ball without the skill to beat good teams and just develop kids and reclamation projects in that environment.
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Maybe Brad is gearing up for the reboot
 
It's out there that the Thunder would like to move into the top 10 and have a ton of 1sts, this year and next to do so.

People think we could be a target at 9, with 15 and a bunch of stuff coming our way.

Considering how Masai and co like to evaluate, i wouldn't be shocked to see this here.
 
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