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Canes Trade for K’Andre Miller

andyt said:
Pesce was last summer. You’re seriously advocating for maintaining the status quo on D? Keeping Orlov? He’ll be 34 in 3 weeks. He was also coming off a contract that paid him $250k more than Miller. Keeping Burns? Seriously? Who, this summer, was going to make the defense better? And yes, paying him more than Slavin. If you don’t understand that Slavin gave the team a multi-million dollar hometown discount, I don’t know what to tell you. Would you rather have had Provorov for $1 million more than Miller? Gavrikov for $7 million?

Do you know who else hasn’t scored 10 goals in a season? Pesce.
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Yes, I said Slavin gave a discount. Yep, Pesce was last year and letting him go helped to make this bad deal. Who should they get at 7.5 at 8 years giving up what they did? Not Miller, better off holding on to the cap money and assets. If you like the deal fine, you are in line with every Rangers fan. We didn't get better with this move.
 
And how darn dense can you be? Pesce would cost money, this isn't just overpaying, it's losing future assets and trade capital.
 
I'm not going to compare Miller, and this years money to any previous year, or previous player. I am however a little surprised the organization gave up a prospect and a first AND a second to go along with 8 years at 7.5. I think Miller is still a bit raw and maybe 4 years would have been better to ferret things out. I guess you could look at future cap going up and figure in a future trade. With the cap going up it means NHL players are getting a pay raise in general. The Canes have set themselves up nicely for this seeing as the do do long term contracts

Someone said a little ways back that maybe the org sees something different in Milker than what he looked like last year. I've heard some say he looked like the best defenseman in the playoffs against the Canes a few years back.
I'll just say I'm not against this player or trade, but it does look a little ostentatious. We shall see.
 
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Eric Stratton said:
The contract is not good but then the assets burned make it worse. The contract alone would be questionable.
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Ok, so this is not trusting the process.

Rangers fans are on an all out war against K'Andre Miller as I mentioned. They have you convinced he is not good dMan. We have had Tulsky and crew in place now for quite a fair number of years, and they seem to do a very good job figuring out what players are going to be successful in our system. Given how successful their track record is, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt.

25 year old 20+ minute Dmen don't become available unless you are willing to move assets to acquire them. What the Canes gave up is relatively similar to what the offer sheet compensation would have been had we gone that route. We skipped the offer sheet line by making this trade. The assets we gave up were 'fair'. A low 1st round pick, a low 2nd round pick, and a former 2nd round young Dman who got horrendously exposed in the playoffs.

If you don't like the new K'Andre Miller contract, relative to Slavin's or what we could have paid Pesce to stay, then I expect you are going to be really unhappy when you see contracts for 25 year old #2-4 Dmen going forward. I'm not sure why we are focusing on the number of goals Miller has scored and trying to value that in this contract. He is a 2 way Dman. $7.5 million long term is just scratching the surface of what young Dmen coming off bridge deals are going to be able to demand going forward.

Could this all turn out to be a big mistake? Of course. Are you willing to bet against Tulsky and crew on this one? Feel free to do so, but it's kind of early to go this hard against this trade or signing. The kid hasn't played a game yet for us.
 
I think the one thing lost in all of these kinds of moves for some is the fact that core piece players that are established commodities at a fairly young age do not come cheap…both in the cost to acquire them and the salaries they command. In a perfect world some fans expect that you get them for cheap via trade and even cheaper on a new deal during their prime earning years but that is simply a pipe dream. If anyone thinks for a red hot minute that 25 year old RFA top 4 D’s or top 6 forwards are easy to acquire or cheap to sign should give their head a shake.
 
Miller put up 9g 43p at 22 years old. His offense took a step back in the 2 seasons since that, but nothing drastic. The Rangers have also been a bit of a mess in those years.

I'd fully expect to see him bounce back with a top team like the Canes.
 
cmaleski2 said:
Ok, so this is not trusting the process.
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Yeah, it really isn't. This move is a calculated gamble but the alternative is pretty much to just stew in your juices and hope your own kids get you over the hump eventually. I'm not saying it had to be Miller, but the defense needed a shot of something spicy beyond what Nikishin brings ... especially in the short term while Nikishin figures out the North American game. Miller basically replaces Orlov for virtually the same money, but is younger, more physical and more mobile. He's also still got serious upside as I really don't think he's ever been in a system that fits his tools and he's only 25.

Miller is going to be one of those guys where if you've decided you hate him (or his contract) up front, then he'll make enough mistakes to "justify" the position because he's a guy who takes some risks with the puck and they ALL make some mistakes. I have all expectations that he'll fit in well and earn his wages ... and I honestly hope that he continues to mature and makes this contract angst a distant memory.
 
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CanadaCanes said:
I think the one thing lost in all of these kinds of moves for some is the fact that core piece players that are established commodities at a fairly young age do not come cheap…both in the cost to acquire them and the salaries they command. In a perfect world some fans expect that you get them for cheap via trade and even cheaper on a new deal during their prime earning years but that is simply a pipe dream. If anyone thinks for a red hot minute that 25 year old RFA top 4 D’s or top 6 forwards are easy to acquire or cheap to sign should give their head a shake.
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The Cap going up as much as it did virtually killed the concept of the cheap early prime years RFA contract, which is why you're seeing guys like Miller, Jarvis and Stankoven get max term deals. The old model of tamping down the contract value with the 2nd and 3rd RFA contract while you still had full control and then letting guys make their bag in free agency is increasingly a thing of the past.
 
Eric Stratton said:
None, is this better? Pay this guy more than Slavin. Lesson learned. If you don't take the money, they will give it to someone worse.
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If you're going to play the "paid more than Slavin?!" game you're going to have a really tough decade until Slavin's contract is up; he signed a very team friendly deal to be here and you cannot compare that to anything going on in a non-flat cap year.

Also, you can write more than one sentence per post.
 
polarbare said:
Also, you can write more than one sentence per post.
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At our last place, there was a moderator on the Politics board that would consolidate posts like that into 1 post, accusing the OP of spamming the board. But they had a history and and routinely took petty swipes at each other. Moderating that board was…interesting, especially when members from another board joined after their unmoderated board went belly up.
 
Not trying to be a jerk, and sometimes thoughts come to us later, but editing a post to add information here is perfectly accepted and acceptable when thoughts come back to back to back. It makes things more coherent.
 
StormChaserBH said:
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Nikishin and Miller in for Orlov and Burns should be a serious upgrade by about new years. Remember, Skjei took several months to settle in here and for those first few months people were really questioning if he’d ever work here.
 
andyt said:
The only question is who moves to their off side.
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Yes, if you assume they're done. I'm not.

Walker is probably the easiest to shift. He's spent a ton of NHL time playing on his off side. Chatfield has as well, but not very effectively. Slavin can play anywhere, but you'd hate to limit him.
 
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