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2025-2026 Off Season Thread - The Rehappening

LeafOfFaith said:
Not shorthanded goals, but shorthanded assists. Feels like he was in on a lot of our SHGs.
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Literally 1 in 2 yrs.

Mitch has 3 short handed points over the last 2 seasons combined. Of all of the things that don't matter, this is one of them.
LeafOfFaith said:
I don't know what to say about his PP production other than we saw this guy for 9 years. He was legit amazing offensively most of the time. It's hard to look at stats now and say meh he wasn't all that good. Big time betrayal of a decade's worth of the eye test.

I'm much less comforted by any stats that show Domi is next best after Mitch. Much less comforted, much more scared.
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I mean, when you tie the two points together, should the rational take be that Mitch's contributions are less impressive than your eye test suggests?
Now, with that said. Being able to hold the puck like Mitch does at the NHL level is a skill unto itself (but I'd argue it's what leads to him being outside of the important areas and often going the wrong way with the puck in the playoffs....) so my intention here isn't to say that Mitch is unskilled. It's to show that a lot of Mitch's contributions are "empty", and aren't replicable against good teams. We've built a significant part of our offence and our PP around Mitch's ability to hold the puck....and all of it goes missing together in very predictable fashion in the same types of situations over and over again. At what point do we question the value of those skills towards winning?

LeafOfFaith said:
And you don't know hockey if you don't commonly see goals where the guy with the second assist did all sorts of shit to create the play, then passes it off to a guy who either simply makes an easy pass or takes a shot and has the rebound knocked in.
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You're taking outliers and treating them like the norm. Sure, there are goals scored where someone makes an incredible cross ice pass and starts a tic-tac-toe and gets an 2A out of it. This is not the norm though. The typical 2A is some sort of short shovel or perimeter pass to an open man.

Here's a good example you'll like:


View: https://youtu.be/8QPzOS9EqVw?si=qjfuhB6hAyNfCcUF

Willy with pass to Tavares in a non scoring position. Tavares works his dick off (Willy stays in motion though because he's Willy gets Hedman to stray a bit) and Rielly sneaks down into a scoring area.

That type of 2A is way, way more common than the skill play being 2 touches away from the puck in the net.
 
MindzEye said:
Literally 1 in 2 yrs.

Mitch has 3 short handed points over the last 2 seasons combined. Of all of the things that don't matter, this is one of them.


I mean, when you tie the two points together, should the rational take be that Mitch's contributions are less impressive than your eye test suggests?
Now, with that said. Being able to hold the puck like Mitch does at the NHL level is a skill unto itself (but I'd argue it's what leads to him being outside of the important areas and often going the wrong way with the puck in the playoffs....) so my intention here isn't to say that Mitch is unskilled. It's to show that a lot of Mitch's contributions are "empty", and aren't replicable against good teams. We've built a significant part of our offence and our PP around Mitch's ability to hold the puck....and all of it goes missing together in very predictable fashion in the same types of situations over and over again. At what point do we question the value of those skills towards winning?



You're taking outliers and treating them like the norm. Sure, there are goals scored where someone makes an incredible cross ice pass and starts a tic-tac-toe and gets an 2A out of it. This is not the norm though. The typical 2A is some sort of short shovel or perimeter pass to an open man.

Here's a good example you'll like:


View: https://youtu.be/8QPzOS9EqVw?si=qjfuhB6hAyNfCcUF

Willy with pass to Tavares in a non scoring position. Tavares works his dick off (Willy stays in motion though because he's Willy gets Hedman to stray a bit) and Rielly sneaks down into a scoring area.

That type of 2A is way, way more common than the skill play being 2 touches away from the puck in the net.
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You're right - I did like that video very much. And I'm not arguing that the 2A is always more important than the 1A obviously. Just that there are a TON of goals every year where the 2A was the better play or an equally critical play as the 1A. My point is only that you can't just dismiss 2As as garbage points across the board. They're definitely not.

As for the other point, I only hope you're right and his points are somehow empty. They definitely don't come when we need them in the playoffs, but I think you're blocking out just how good a player he is in the regular season and for portions of the playoffs. He's very fucking good. Now, whether Roy + Maccelli + whoever combining to make $12M are more valuable as a group than Marner as an individual taking up that space, I could see there being a good likelihood for it because it's hard for one great player to be as important as three good players. But we'll have to see. I'm optimistic as usual, but definitely nervous about such a key player vanishing in thin air (even though I'm used to it in elimination games).
 
The SOB wanted out because, pick one.

A) He thought that he should be captain
B) He was pissed that Keefe was fired

He had already decided on Vegas and was gathering information during the tournament last season. He was already gone mentally during the playoffs.

That explains the lack of sweat.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
I would respect it if he hated Toronto and was openly trolling the city and fans.

I do expect however he's doing this to convince his doubters and himself that i idolized a gritty playoff Toronto boy and will provide the same effort as Gilmour

He a bitch
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My Vegas betting odds on the Knights being good for a bit and then crashing to pieces with older guys like Stone, Karlsson, and Hertl soon dropping off, or Marner and Eichel hating each other and causing Eichel to take off after one season, are inordinately high.
 
Last 3yrs, Matthews 5v5 goals/60 with linemate (min 100min):

w/Domi 263:36, 2.73
w/Holmberg 119:03, 2.52
w/Bertuzzi 322:48, 2.42
w/Tavares 123:31, 1.94
w/Bunting 735:58, 1.55
w/Nylander 916:03, 1.51
w/Marner 2026:24, 1.30
w/Jarnkrok 284:57, 12.6
w/Knies 1287:18, 1.21
w/McMann 125:07, 0.96
w/Kerfoot 136:57, 0.44


p/60

w/Domi 263:36, 4.55
w/Holmberg 119:03, 4.03
w/Tavares 123:31, 3.89
w/Bertuzzi 322:48, 3.35
w/Nylander 916:03, 3.08
w/Bunting 735:58, 2.93
w/Jarnkrok 284:57, 2.53
w/Knies 1287:18, 2.52
w/Marner 2026:24, 2.49
w/McMann 125:07, 1.92
w/Kerfoot 136:57, 1.75

Playoffs g/60 (min 20min)

w/Tavares 28:34, 2.10
w/Domi 48:06, 1.25
w/Bertuzzi 49:45, 1.21
w/Marner 321:07, 0.93
w/Nylander 79:55, 0.75
w/Jarnkrok 80:22, 0.75
w/Knies 184:43, 0.65
w/Bunting 50:13, 0.00

Playoffs p/60

w/Bertuzzi 49:45, 3.62
w/Knies 184:43, 2.60
w/Domi 48:07, 2.49
w/Marner 321:07, 2.24
w/Tavares 28:34, 2.10
w/Nylander 79:55, 1.50
w/Jarnkrok 80:22, 1.49
w/Bunting 50:13, 0.00
 
Ewww. No olds.

Maybe Sign another winger like a Roslovic for a cheapish deal if that comes up. Otherwise Keep your powder dry for a bigger move. I don’t know why everyone is so horny to move Carlo. I thought he was solid for us. Great partner for Reilly.

maybe give Robertson a deal to stick around. A bit of a suppressed asset compared to his talent. What’s a good middle ground for some term while keeping the hit low? Something like we did with Hyman at the time.
 
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