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Canes Trade for K’Andre Miller

Don't we need a lefty to move to the right side though? Slavin, Nikishin, Ghost or Miller would have to play at RD if they are our top 6.
 
jeffbear said:
Yes, if you assume they're done. I'm not.

Walker is probably the easiest to shift. He's spent a ton of NHL time playing on his off side. Chatfield has as well, but not very effectively. Slavin can play anywhere, but you'd hate to limit him.
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I’m not assuming that either. Just saying that if this is all that we do it’s still ultimately will be a significant improvement.
 
cmaleski2 said:
Don't we need a lefty to move to the right side though? Slavin, Nikishin, Ghost or Miller would have to play at RD if they are our top 6.
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Look. It's been a long morning already :0)

I was just throwing out guys who can play their weak side based on what we've seen. Miller CAN shift over, but that would be dumb to do with a guy transitioning to a new system. Ghost? Absolutely not. Boom? Again with the learning a new system ... and language ... and league. Pass.
 
It’s early in the off-season. But trading Gostisbehere is also an option.

His contract has a MTC with a 15-team no-trade list for this season. That leaves 16 other teams (plus consent) as potential trading partners with his affordable $3.2M cap hit.

He could also serve as a full-size spare tire if they want to go that route until later in the season.
 
I'm not a huge fan of the contract. No surprise. But I'm also not stupid enough to hope he does terrible. I hope he turns a corner and becomes a stud. The Canes need the grit and size. I'm not crying about Morrow leaving, he wasn't cracking the top this year. But Tulsky rolled some HUGE dice on that contract.
 
TheBigKahuna said:
I'm not a huge fan of the contract. No surprise. But I'm also not stupid enough to hope he does terrible. I hope he turns a corner and becomes a stud. The Canes need the grit and size. I'm not crying about Morrow leaving, he wasn't cracking the top this year. But Tulsky rolled some HUGE dice on that contract.
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In regards to the Miller contract, Bowen Byram is about to be traded in the same sort of offer sheet spectrum trade as Miller was yesterday, the extension prediction on Byram, also an RFA, is coming in over $7 million per on a multi-year deal. Byram is 23, 6'1" left shot defenseman with 31 points in 82 games last year.

I like the upside, size, mobility and future potential of Miller over Byram every day of the week and twice on Sunday at almost the same price point as what Byram probably ends up at with similar trade assets being surrendered in both deals.
 
comparing contracts to Slavin is not a valid argument- ever for anyone.

Using dollars/goals is not a valid metric.

That said, by that measure Slavin is probably worse than KM even with his Slavin’s contract.
 
That’s the one area that chafes— Miller’s salary compared to Slavin and Chattfield’s. However, I also think AGTG Slavin likely made peace with deal he made and why he agreed to it. Chattfield is underpaid, but he’ll make bank soon enough.

I’m also a trust the process person given these deals aren’t spur of the moment. Trades/deals made by this front office includes strong scouting, group think backed by metrics and data, and a desire to have a specific type of player.
 
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Look. Re: Miller's contract ... we're in a new salary era and there's increasing inflationary pressure for RFA's who have proven to be effective NHL players. I'm not thrilled with it either, but I do think that if you wait a couple of years and compare market values, it'll look different than it does right now. It's not like Chatfield or Slavin are going to show up pouty and out of shape for camp because the new guy got more money than them, so ... what exactly is the concern? Orlov made more than them because he was signed as a UFA, not because he was a better player. Same kind of thing applies, albeit in different circumstances.
 
Habspatrol said:
If you're judging dmen by their goal scoring, you're going to be greatly disappointed by almost all of them.

I seriously can't think of a less relevant stat to judge a dman by.
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I agree, was a little tipsy at the time. Still not a huge fan of the 8 years or the use of assets but it is what it is.
 
andyt said:
At our last place, there was a moderator on the Politics board that would consolidate posts like that into 1 post, accusing the OP of spamming the board. But they had a history and and routinely took petty swipes at each other. Moderating that board was…interesting, especially when members from another board joined after their unmoderated board went belly up.
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I spammed the thread, 100% on me. I apologize.
 
While I definitely don't see Miller being up for the Norris anytime soon for his offense (and yes, that's tongue in cheek), if you really wanted to compare our best goal scoring defencemen, you still have to go back to Mark Howe 1979-81 with 24 and 19 goal seasons and Zarley Zalapski with 20 in 91-92.

The best years by Canes? Burns and Skjei both had 18 in 22-23.
Dougie Hamilton also had 18 in 18-19 en route to our first playoff berth in forever,.
You have Justin Faulk with 15 in '15, 16 in '16, and 17 in '17, the only franchise player to have three seasons with 15 or more goals.
Anton Babchuck had 16 in 08-09

The other two in the top 12 were Whalers, Al Sims with 16 in 80-81, and Risto Stiltanen with 15 in 83-84.

It really emphasizes habspatrol's point... I mean, you look statistically at 22-23, the year we were all claiming that the defense was outscoring the offense... apart from Skjei and Burns raising the bar, the rest of the D were able to focus on being defense first... Slavin had 7 goals, which is one goal above an average season for him.

Long story short (too late): If Miller does his job defensively, it's not going to matter how many goals he contributes... it's more improtant that he doesn't give up the shorty like some guys who will remain nameless.
 
It's funny seeing all of the Rangers fans complaints about K'Andre Miller. Yes didn't have a great last season, but which Rangers player did?

I'm seeing all of these arguments from Rangers fans about why Miller is terrible....

Big but doesn't play physical
Converted forward who isn't good at defense, should be moved back to forward
Has offensive flash but makes bad decisions on D.

Miller's journey so far is not unlike a certain other Dman who happens to also be 6'5"

* Was a converted forward
* Big but not overly physical
* Was traded when he was 25 years old

Brent Burns.

Now K'Andre Miller isn't going to be become Brent Burns, but this kid is still 25 years old and has a heck of a lot of skills. Burns got better defensively as he worked on his game.

Honestly I think most Rangers fans are:

* Clueless about how badly their team manages young talent.
* Nervous that Miller is actually good and will become really good outside of the Rangers

There is risk for the Canes, but this is a bold acquisition and commitment in a player who clearly has the tools to be a productive top 4 2-way Dman.
 
cmaleski2 said:
It's funny seeing all of the Rangers fans complaints about K'Andre Miller. Yes didn't have a great last season, but which Rangers player did?

I'm seeing all of these arguments from Rangers fans about why Miller is terrible....

Big but doesn't play physical
Converted forward who isn't good at defense, should be moved back to forward
Has offensive flash but makes bad decisions on D.

Miller's journey so far is not unlike a certain other Dman who happens to also be 6'5"

* Was a converted forward
* Big but not overly physical
* Was traded when he was 25 years old

Brent Burns.

Now K'Andre Miller isn't going to be become Brent Burns, but this kid is still 25 years old and has a heck of a lot of skills. Burns got better defensively as he worked on his game.

Honestly I think most Rangers fans are:

* Clueless about how badly their team manages young talent.
* Nervous that Miller is actually good and will become really good outside of the Rangers

There is risk for the Canes, but this is a bold acquisition and commitment in a player who clearly has the tools to be a productive top 4 2-way Dman.
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Do yourself a favor and stop reading these fools opinions. It’s useless. How many times have we signed or traded for a guy and the opposing team swears they’re trash and they get here a play well or even better than well. He’ll be just fine in Raleigh.
 
Fayettenamcanesfan said:
Do yourself a favor and stop reading these fools opinions. It’s useless. How many times have we signed or traded for a guy and the opposing team swears they’re trash and they get here a play well or even better than well. He’ll be just fine in Raleigh.
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Public and semi-public online communities have gotten toxic and anger drunk to the point where they're basically pointless other than as some sort of social experiment.
 
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