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The Official Post-Bitch 2025-26 Regular Season Thread

MindzEye said:
Nah that's not ass backwards. being data driven is the industry standard among successful clubs, the C suite recognizing that and insisting on its implementation through out the org is a good thing not a bad thing.

What it is though is a massive indictment of whatever the fuck it was Shanahan was doing over his last 5 or so years here where we had the biggest analytics department in the league but stopped using it.

The upshot here is that the bones already exist. Metcalf has built what we need to be using, the next pres/gm is plug and play. He will have all of the evaluation models he needs to help make personnel decisions without building out or bringing his own systems
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I wonder what the fuck has been going on with proscounting over the last 10 years. We have done such a shit job at identifying talent in UFA or trade for the most part.
 
I can’t believe you’re buying this.

Leafs already invested a lot in analytics.

This sounds I lot like me saying if buy those new runners, I’m going to jog more frequently, faster.

Their mistake was being caught off guard by Dubas and filling the spot in two hours with a generic GM
 
Generic is actually a complement. From all accounts (and now two teams he's driven into the ground), he's grossly incompetent.
 
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These talking heads are all dummies. It's not about being able to talk to the board in data terms.

It's about having someone in charge who understands and appreciates the necessity of good data in every single decision.

You can have the biggest best data department in the league but if the guy in charge is just gonna say "yolo..get me more grit!" then it just doesn't matter.
 
zeke said:
These talking heads are all dummies. It's not about being able to talk to the board in data terms.

It's about having someone in charge who understands and appreciates the necessity of good data in every single decision.

You can have the biggest best data department in the league but if the guy in charge is just gonna say "yolo..get me more grit!" then it just doesn't matter.
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it's also easy to betray your philosophy when emotions run hot (deadline day, first day of UFA) when one or two mistakes can undo all the other sound data driven decisions.

Eventually, all NHL front offices will be data driven, but like we see on Wall Street, it won't guarantee results
 
zeke said:
The whole problem is that the nhl is full of guys who pretend to care about data but actually think its all bullshit.
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Or decide to say “it’s ok this one time to break my rules. I have a good feeling about this” FOMO is a bitch.
Certain type of players will always seem rare. Certain contention windows can seem fleeting.
 
If Pelley is for real, this is the first time we've ever seen one of them execs show true allegiance and backing towards making data driven decisions. Even when Dubas was here, it never felt like anyone up top was 100% sold on anything but grit, leaderbeans, and a qualitative approach to building teams. And that is why Kyle, with time, used less and less of his analytics team and then they hired Treliving.

But if they have buy-in up top, this is clearly a transformational moment.
 
The thing is weren't the nerdies good on Carlo. RHD who can play difficult minutes and suppress quality scoring chances? I honestly don't know.
They clearly overpaid (that's the deadline and Cup window doing the work) but they were getting quality and something they needed
 
MindzEye said:
Nah that's not ass backwards. being data driven is the industry standard among successful clubs, the C suite recognizing that and insisting on its implementation through out the org is a good thing not a bad thing.

What it is though is a massive indictment of whatever the fuck it was Shanahan was doing over his last 5 or so years here where we had the biggest analytics department in the league but stopped using it.

The upshot here is that the bones already exist. Metcalf has built what we need to be using, the next pres/gm is plug and play. He will have all of the evaluation models he needs to help make personnel decisions without building out or bringing his own systems
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I meant the notion that they're going to Matthews now and telling him they're trying to be "back on track" next year.

maybe hire the GM first and let the hockey expert decide what the direction should be.

doing this is no different than hiring Treliving having told the main players already that they wouldn't be moved.

not how you run a competent operation.
 
I had to read that twice...but he says that other teams within mlse were way ahead...obviously blue jays and now tfc I assume
 
CH1 said:
The thing is weren't the nerdies good on Carlo. RHD who can play difficult minutes and suppress quality scoring chances? I honestly don't know.
They clearly overpaid (that's the deadline and Cup window doing the work) but they were getting quality and something they needed
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The nerdies showed Carlo was basically a bottom pair d by that point. And declined significantly over the last couple of years.

I think once Pelley talked to people, observed Tre at the deadline and realized they weren't using analytics at fucking all, the thing they've invested so much money in, that couldn't have sat well with him. They were burning money. So he had two paths to take: downsize the department significantly and hire a member of the old boys club as gm because data driven decisions in hockey are a scam. Or hire someone who will make the most of his resources as GM and use the competitive advantage they should have.

He is choosing option 2. And that is very good news. As long as Pelley is employed in his current role, the new GM will have full backing and trust to run with a data driven plan. It could have gone very differently.
 
Not to mention, there's been more than enough noise in the organization from ex employees that the leafs basically stopped relying heavily on nerdies several years ago, in the latter Dubas years.

Having a large department doesn't mean anything if they aren't being used, so I don't buy that argument. The coach, the GM and the people above them have to be 100% committed to data being the key tool for all decisions for an organization to truly benefit from it.
 
CH1 said:
The thing is weren't the nerdies good on Carlo. RHD who can play difficult minutes and suppress quality scoring chances? I honestly don't know.
They clearly overpaid (that's the deadline and Cup window doing the work) but they were getting quality and something they needed
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Not really. Decent defensive nerdies (and useless offensively) but not in high difficulty usage. #5 dman.

But making it worse is that he was the nth slugfoot added to the team, and he's also a big pooftie on skates so he brought none of the grit they paid so much for either.

He's been what he should have been expected to be in toronto - a decent defensive 4/5 dman.

The price we paid was always silly.
 
The Leafs have good nerds. They just obviously didn’t use them in pro scouting, amateur scouting, team scouting, coaching, development or anything else and he wants to hire someone that will do the opposite of that.
 
Volcanologist said:
I meant the notion that they're going to Matthews now and telling him they're trying to be "back on track" next year.

maybe hire the GM first and let the hockey expert decide what the direction should be.

doing this is no different than hiring Treliving having told the main players already that they wouldn't be moved.

not how you run a competent operation.
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With all due respect mate, if you think that it's a good idea to hire a GM who insists on tearing this down, trading everything and starting over, well, you've lost the fucking plot.
 
Preston said:
Not to mention, there's been more than enough noise in the organization from ex employees that the leafs basically stopped relying heavily on nerdies several years ago, in the latter Dubas years.

Having a large department doesn't mean anything if they aren't being used, so I don't buy that argument. The coach, the GM and the people above them have to be 100% committed to data being the key tool for all decisions for an organization to truly benefit from it.
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We were pretty clearly adrift when it came out that Sheldon had the power to ignore the analytics people trying to show him the things he needed to know from the data we gathered. There's absolutely no universe in which a coach having that amount of power in an organization is a good thing. It's a coaches job to implement organizational philosophy with the roster given to him, it's not his job to decide how we play hockey. That's the literal definition of the tail wagging the dog.
 
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