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Playoff GDT: Round 1, Game 2 Canes v. Senators 4/20 7:30

jeffbear said:
Honestly, the only reason I even mentioned to pair was avoiding pointing out Hebert’s personal grudge with Svech because it honestly feels like piling on … but consider him piled upon. That guy has had obvious personal beef with an individual player for over 5 years and it’s NEVER been addressed. South, St Laurent, Furlatt, Luxmore, etc … there’s so many blatant incompetents that it’s hard to keep ‘em straight. The two supposed gold standard guys (McCauley and Sutherland) are both gasbag “game managers” who can’t be bothered to call a game straight up. That’s the absolute best you’re gonna get in this league.
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And we had McCauley on Saturday with Brandon Blandina, calling his first playoff game. He’s the one that blew the goal/non goal call, only calling it a goal when Meathead raised his hands.
 
SlapShots said:
Interesting take by Mike Johnson this AM. Staal
had possession and control— he had the puck where he wanted it, why would he need to be touching it?? The control/possession is a subjective factor— to the player on ice it’s one thing, for the league/officiating it’s a different standard.
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It was a BS overturn. They made up any excuse to disallow that goal. If we use that call as the new gold standard, it's going to piss off lot of coaches.
 
I'm still 100% on board with taking post goal offsides reviews out of the game. If the linesman misses it live, then it's been missed. Reviewing whether a toe was onside or offside 42 seconds before a goal was scored, is the dumbest shit I've ever seen. Take it out of the game! No offsides replays after a goal. None. Period.
 
How about reviews just be full speed only and the reviewer has no more than a minute to decide? Or at least offside reviews.
 
TheBigKahuna said:
I'm still 100% on board with taking post goal offsides reviews out of the game. If the linesman misses it live, then it's been missed. Reviewing whether a toe was onside or offside 42 seconds before a goal was scored, is the dumbest shit I've ever seen. Take it out of the game! No offsides replays after a goal. None. Period.
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I’ve never been a fan of offside reviews, so I’d be fine with this. Of course, our situation won’t cause the stir that Colorado’s did a few years ago and the NHL changed exactly nothing back then.
 
Well, offside is offside even if it's a 1/2". However, the officials don't need to be putting the play under a microscope for five minutes to make a determination. I like the "the official has 60 seconds to watch full speed replays" idea. If the call on the ice was egregiously wrong, then rewatching the play a few times in full speed will find it.
 
TheBigKahuna said:
Being offside by half an inch has ZERO effect on the goal being scored. It's a tacky technicality that coaches take advantage of. It needs to go away.
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So if you do that where do you draw the line 1/2 inch? 2 inches? Who measures? You are either offside or you’re not whether it’s 1/2 inch or 27 feet you have to have a definitive line of definition. It’s much like the catch rule in football that was do controversial a few years ago…. What does completion of a catch actually mean? What does controlling the puck actually mean. If you can’t get it right with slow motion replay from 9 angles, there is something wrong with your definition of the rule
 
ThirstNHowl said:
Am I mistaken in thinking that players lost their edges in Game 2 at about twice the rate of a normal game at Lenovo Center? Was the ice bad or was it just my imagination?
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They’re not mutually exclusive. ;)

It wasn’t just players losing edges, it looked like the puck was bouncing all over the place.
 
Fayettenamcanesfan said:
So if you do that where do you draw the line 1/2 inch? 2 inches? Who measures? You are either offside or you’re not whether it’s 1/2 inch or 27 feet you have to have a definitive line of definition. It’s much like the catch rule in football that was do controversial a few years ago…. What does completion of a catch actually mean? What does controlling the puck actually mean. If you can’t get it right with slow motion replay from 9 angles, there is something wrong with your definition of the rule
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The problem is it always gets down to nit picking. Is someone is 6 feet in the zone and they miss is. Review fix. But if they review and it’s close enough then let it go as called. The point of the reviews need to be to fix the egregious misses and otherwise stay out of the way. Instead it leads to controversy and the refs deciding who wins or loses.
 
SlapShots said:
I’d rather the league just enforce the rules in the book and figure out goaltender interference.
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The league will never fix anything that they blatantly refuse to ever acknowledge is wrong or a problem. That’s my beef, Bettman and his cast of misfit toys first would need to admit all the things that the league needs to fix and he snubs his nose at almost any mention of most of it.
 
ThirstNHowl said:
Am I mistaken in thinking that players lost their edges in Game 2 at about twice the rate of a normal game at Lenovo Center? Was the ice bad or was it just my imagination?
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Remember … the NHL takes over control of the ice for the post season and they screw up warm weather buildings EVERY year.
 
TheBigKahuna said:
You draw the line at the linesman calling it. Take away the replay challenge AFTER a goal. No goal was scored unfairly because someone was an inch offsides and the linesman missed it.
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While this comment is entirely fair, do note that we currently have offside review specifically because two NHL linesmen missed a player who was fully 5 feet off side and scored a goal. So … yeah.
 
Lengthy replay review is not an NHL specific problem. This happens in the NFL, MLB, and college football and basketball. I’m sure it happens elsewhere but that’s what I watch. IMO it’s way worse in college basketball and I watch less than I used to because the ends of games can be excruciatingly slow in part because of video reviews. None of these leagues have figured out how to separate clearly wrong calls from lengthy reviews over fractions of an inch that don’t really matter (or shouldn’t IMO). And all fans complain about exactly that in all these sports. If these other leagues had figured it out and the NHL just refused to see the light I could fault them more for it but that’s not the case. As far as I know the only sport that’s really nailed video review is tennis and the circumstances are much different there. (I don’t follow soccer so if VAR works there I’m sure I’ll get piled on for that. )
 
jeffbear said:
While this comment is entirely fair, do note that we currently have offside review specifically because two NHL linesmen missed a player who was fully 5 feet off side and scored a goal. So … yeah.
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But that’s what it should try to fix. He was egregiously offsides. Not was he maybe 1cm early into the zone.
 
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