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Around the League 2019-2026 Edition

so hard to tell with dmen on good teams and dcorps. they can put up massive ratings in the perfect roles but can fall right apart when not in the right situation. Stars didn't help themsslves by adding a whole bunch of shit dmen this year tho.

Kind of what i'd be scared about with a guy like Raddysh.
 
He had a bad year but he was elite for a few years before that and a massive part of the Stars runs. Still pretty young too.

Stars have made a lot of bad D decisions.
 
It's the kind of big swing that you sort of need to take when trying to build an elite dcorps without high draft picks. But if you're wrong, you're paying a 2nd pair guy 10.5 mil until 2034.
 
Could the Leafs take on a Seguin+Harley package with no rentention? They need to get out of that Seguin contract I think more than anything else and taking him may lower the price for Harley just enough to make it worthwhile. It would resolve all their cap problems!

They would be just fine only trading Seguin and keeping Harley, but we don't need to mention that
 
Mavrik Bourque may be a more realistic option. He's an RFA, due for a nice raise, and probably more expendable for Dallas than Harley. If they're signing Robertson, he COULD be a casualty. He played some center this year in the 3C role and some wing, usually on the first line. Idk if he's any good in the C hole, but there's a potential 3c solution.
 
When you’re looking to trade, you start from where you have oversupply. For us, that’s G first, and D second, even if the players have warts because all players do. You don’t touch the good forwards if you don’t have to. Tavares has only a few years left, Matty who knows, and Nylander already 30. Knies is the last guy you should think about moving.

Starting at G, you keep the younger guy who seems slightly more durable. Stolarz only plays half the games if healthy, less if Stolarz. Start there. Look for teams who should be desperate for a goalie. Edmonton is always first in line. Pittsburgh is another. Maybe they’re quick to trade Karlsson in a deal for a goalie.

The next group is D. Everyone hates Reilly but I don’t move him unless it is a total no brainer return. Carlo is the best one to use because he’s got a name that has some shine yet he totally stinks. I really like OEL and don’t want him to go, but he’s old and coming off a great season, so if he fetches more than he’s worth or some young kid who’ll be better than him soon, I’d look at that.

And then you move to the last category - pure junk. This is where Domi leads the way, Maccelli just behind him, and Joshua too. You trade these guys for the best picks or prospects you can, and if no one is dumb enough to give you any, just dump them for nothing.

Fill in the spots with UFAs and kids. Trades are only good if you’re definitely walking away the clear winner on day one.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
When you’re looking to trade, you start from where you have oversupply. For us, that’s G first, and D second.
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You're looking at oversupply of junk, not actually oversupply of quality. They have a shit ton of wingers too, but they're pretty good and deep there. And you're not gonna get Harley by trading Carlo, Domi, and Stolarz, sorry. You can try and it's a good starting point in negotiations, but Jim Nill is gonna go into negotiations saying that he wants the absolute worst players on the worst team in the league for their star defensman.
 
Preston said:
You're looking at oversupply of junk, not actually oversupply of quality. They have a shit ton of wingers too, but they're pretty good and deep there. And you're not gonna get Harley by trading Carlo, Domi, and Stolarz, sorry. You can try and it's a good starting point in negotiations, but Jim Nill is gonna go into negotiations saying that he wants the absolute worst players on the worst team in the league for their star defensman.
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One man’s junk is another man’s optimistic add. When you’re desperate, you do some stupid things. When you trade, you have to target teams with glaring holes you can fool them into thinking you can fill better than you actually can. That’s the whole game.

Stolarz is pretty good, just an injury concern, and some team that really needs a tender will discount the risk and part with something they have in abundance. We see bad trades all the time. They’re born out of this predicament. It’s why we saw Tre give up 10x the value of Carlo for Carlo. Desperate + stupid is what you need to zero in on in the market.

Same with Carlo. Has a name, is a beloved rhd that everyone always wants, still youngish. Build it up, get something decent back. Maybe it’s a pick the other GM won’t worry about because he needs results now, maybe it’s an underperforming guy who your nerds believe in, but just get the best you can for a guy you have to move out but who isn’t obviously someone you must trade.

I wasn’t addressing any Harley deal. I’m not really on board with trading for any big names unless you can get them for way undermarket from some dummy. I’m only talking about the approach to take with the guys you want to deal in general.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
One man’s junk is another man’s optimistic add. When you’re desperate, you do some stupid things. When you trade, you have to target teams with glaring holes you can fool them into thinking you can fill better than you actually can. That’s the whole game.

Stolarz is pretty good, just an injury concern, and some team that really needs a tender will discount the risk and part with something they have in abundance. We see bad trades all the time. They’re born out of this predicament. It’s why we saw Tre give up 10x the value of Carlo for Carlo. Desperate + stupid is what you need to zero in on in the market.

Same with Carlo. Has a name, is a beloved rhd that everyone always wants, still youngish. Build it up, get something decent back. Maybe it’s a pick the other GM won’t worry about because he needs results now, maybe it’s an underperforming guy who your nerds believe in, but just get the best you can for a guy you have to move out but who isn’t obviously someone you must trade.

I wasn’t addressing any Harley deal. I’m not really on board with trading for any big names unless you can get them for way undermarket from some dummy. I’m only talking about the approach to take with the guys you want to deal in general.
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I agree they should trade Carlo and many teams may see him as a very good player still. The league is full of dumb GMs. But yeah, you're not gonna get a stud d for him obviously. Have to trade something more substantial for that.
 
Preston said:
I agree they should trade Carlo and many teams may see him as a very good player still. The league is full of dumb GMs. But yeah, you're not gonna get a stud d for him obviously. Have to trade something more substantial for that.
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Of course, but I’m always about keeping the good players, and find other ways to upgrade on the other players. I would rarely ever trade one of our key guys unless the return is ridiculous.
 
trujaysfan said:
To reshape the D you need to move Carlo and one of Rielly/OEL.
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only carlo really tbh. and benoit/myers obviously.

but add two mobile puckmoving dmen with rielly and oel already here and suddenly you have a very mobile dcorps with a couple legit shutdown guys in mccabe/tanev too (both of whom are very good skaters to boot).
 
zeke said:
only carlo really tbh. and benoit/myers obviously.

but add two mobile puckmoving dmen with rielly and oel already here and suddenly you have a very mobile dcorps with a couple legit shutdown guys in mccabe/tanev too (both of whom are very good skaters to boot).
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This idea that none of McCabe/OEL/Tanev/Rielly are cooked or are in the process of cooking i think is foolish.

You cant blame one of the worst D's in the league on just Carlo, Berube and the scrub muffins.
 
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