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We all remember the Trump quote: "Very fine people on both sides", when Trump was talking about Charlottesville and the Nazi/Respect Our History march/protest?

We all know what he was talking about in that quote. Still, MAGA will insist that Trump was actually talking about the average/good people that marched along side the Nazis and not the Nazis/White supremacist themselves. They were just there to protest the erasing of history (good or bad).

Even if those "very fine people" showed up there with good or innocent intentions, got to the March first with their good/innocent intention friends and community and started the March first with just themselves and no one else, once Nazis started to join in on the March and you did not leave and loudly disavow the march, those "very fine people's" intentions and motives start to align and sympathize with the Nazis. At best, if you keep on Marching, you become a Nazi sympathizer, at worst you become a Nazi yourself.

Maybe Wayne came to MAGA by pure desire for lower taxes and the hate of DEI and "Wokeness", but once MAGA decided to be for annexation of Canada, and you did not speak out and loudly disavow the MAGA movement, your silence starts to legitimize that movement and at best you become a MAGA sympathizer and at worst you become a MAGAt.

And you know what? MAGA people are not great Canadians - being for or NOT against annexation or your Country by a bigger country - and do not deserve to be honoured as such.
 
I’m seeing some hilarious clips on my Insta feed arguing that Gretzky would be a mediocre player today — he’s too small, his shot would be too weak vs today’s goaltending — as if those weren’t critiques back then…. But the kicker was that Gretzky played when half the league were unhealthy chain smokers… and they showed a black and white pic of Gump Worsely. LOL

All kidding aside, I’m looking at you @LeafGm … are you still rooting for Ovy not to break the goal scoring record?

Is PutinPuppet worse than TrumpBuddy?
 
LeafGm said:
What do you call nine people sitting down for a friendly dinner with one person wearing a Nazi armband?


Ten Nazis.
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It's a great quote, but Trump is not a Nazi though. He's a total piece of shit but we have to be somewhat realistic here. I just don't agree with guilt by association, I mean 77 million people voted for Donald Trump and he meets with dozens of people every day. If everyone's a Nazi then nobody's a Nazi.
 
axlsalinger said:
you're really overstating this argument. I get that supporting Trump is not the same thing as being a smart, measured conservative (if such a thing even exists anymore), but his being friends with the guy and maybe being a long-time conservative is not a crime. Serious character flaws yes, but come on ... That is not sedition and it doesn't make him a Nazi.
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Nah, still buddying up to a guy threatening your country deserves the traitor stuff imo
 
Pwner said:
We all remember the Trump quote: "Very fine people on both sides", when Trump was talking about Charlottesville and the Nazi/Respect Our History march/protest?

We all know what he was talking about in that quote. Still, MAGA will insist that Trump was actually talking about the average/good people that marched along side the Nazis and not the Nazis/White supremacist themselves. They were just there to protest the erasing of history (good or bad).

Even if those "very fine people" showed up there with good or innocent intentions, got to the March first with their good/innocent intention friends and community and started the March first with just themselves and no one else, once Nazis started to join in on the March and you did not leave and loudly disavow the march, those "very fine people's" intentions and motives start to align and sympathize with the Nazis. At best, if you keep on Marching, you become a Nazi sympathizer, at worst you become a Nazi yourself.

Maybe Wayne came to MAGA by pure desire for lower taxes and the hate of DEI and "Wokeness", but once MAGA decided to be for annexation of Canada, and you did not speak out and loudly disavow the MAGA movement, your silence starts to legitimize that movement and at best you become a MAGA sympathizer and at worst you become a MAGAt.

And you know what? MAGA people are not great Canadians - being for or NOT against annexation or your Country by a bigger country - and do not deserve to be honoured as such.
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I have a family member who moved further right last year (he's starting to see the light now, thankfully, at least as far as Trump/MAGA are concerned, and hates Elon) but the fact this always gets mentioned annoys him because it's somewhat of an intellectually dishonest argument in his view. It is an interesting debate, because we know that Trump has been winking and nodding at the far right for 9 years now. But we also have to be accurate.

It's a rare occurrence for me to have to defend Trump. Still, it's also a fact that he actually condemned the neo-Nazis in that speech ... Whether you believe him or not is a different story. Still, he did say point blank that the neo-Nazis and white nationalists "should be condemned totally".

they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue
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you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?
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Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.
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To be clear, my argument isn't "Gretzky isn't a piece of shit." Of course he is. In fact I had a pretty good idea he was before this all happened. I just don't feel the need to start cancelling and removing everything he was given for being a good hockey player (as meaningless as some of that stuff is). He is friends with a piece of shit. That's the crime we're talking about here. It's a bit much. He's not Bill Cosby.
 
Preston said:
To be clear, my argument isn't "Gretzky isn't a piece of shit." Of course he is. In fact I had a pretty good idea he was before this all happened. I just don't feel the need to start cancelling and removing everything he was given for being a good hockey player (as meaningless as some of that stuff is). He is friends with a piece of shit. That's the crime we're talking about here. It's a bit much. He's not Bill Cosby.
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He was given all those things because of what he represented to canada... now what he represents is a traitor and yes, you can go and remove the shit he got.
 
axlsalinger said:
It's a rare occurrence for me to have to defend Trump. Still, it's also a fact that he actually condemned the neo-Nazis in that speech ... Whether you believe him or not is a different story. Still, he did say point blank that the neo-Nazis and white nationalists "should be condemned totally".
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100% dude. It’s not in our (pro Dem) interests to criticise him for things he didn’t say because all that does is weaken our credibility when we need to criticise him for something he legit said/did (and god knows there’s plenty of that)

I will say that the relentless vileness that is Trump renders this principle somewhat moot.
 
axlsalinger said:
It's a great quote, but Trump is not a Nazi though. He's a total piece of shit but we have to be somewhat realistic here. I just don't agree with guilt by association, I mean 77 million people voted for Donald Trump and he meets with dozens of people every day. If everyone's a Nazi then nobody's a Nazi.
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No, Trump and the 77 million people who voted for him AFTER seeing what he tried to do his first term are definitely fucking nazis.
 
What I am saying is: once you start marching with and along side of Nazis, that makes you not a "very fine" person. It probably makes you a sympathizer - I guess you could say Nazis sympathize with you, but that makes you think....

Once Nazis show up, get the fuck out of there, or switch sides.

I feel sadly like Wayne can be classified as "very fine people".
 
The 76 million people who voted for Kamala are communists!!!!

The only Americans you can trust are the 100 million people who didn’t vote!!!
 
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