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2017 NHL Entry Draft thread

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Yeah, no thanks. If they could've done something bigger involving JVR that would've been okay but clearly that didn't work out.

Will be interesting to see what we do now.
 
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so waht is htis telling us - that his offense was weighted to p production?

the fact that he produced on the pp is a godo sign about his offensive potential. the fronts stunk up front. it isn't easy for dmen to put up points on a team lacking forward skill.
 
mbow30 said:
sounds pretty encouraging to me. a huge d-man who showed decent puck movement and was a big pp producer.

picked at the end of the 2nd round. sounds better than most of the guys takena round him.
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Mostly talking about that last scouting report in the post I quoted and the projection as a bottom pairing guy. But I guess just one guy's opinion.
 
I'm thrilled we didn't pay that price for Hamonic.

And I'll be interested to see if there are any conditions attached to that Calgary pick. Because, c'mon. Did Buke really just give away another lottery-unprotected future first round pick?
 
mbow30 said:
so waht is htis telling us - that his offense was weighted to p production?

the fact that he produced on the pp is a godo sign about his offensive potential. the fronts stunk up front. it isn't easy for dmen to put up points on a team lacking forward skill.
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Yeah it's not surprising. He has a good shot and the team isn't very good offensively, so makes sense he'd get the bulk of his points on the PP.
 
hockeylover said:
Mostly talking about that last scouting report in the post I quoted and the projection as a bottom pairing guy. But I guess just one guy's opinion.
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the ISS report had him at 42. one of the two guys seemed more enthusiastic than the other. the second writeup doesn't make much sense to me (one-dimensional?)

ISS Scout Rocco Zappia | “Moves well for his size, quickness will continue to be a work in progress. Heavy point shot. Defended well 1 on 1 but tends to run around a bit and puck chase in his own end. Has improved significantly since the start of the season. He's a bit of a project but the raw tools are there to work with and develop”.

ISS Scout Matt Manners | “Very one-dimensional defenseman. He's got a massive frame but was very tentative to use it. Forward speed was ok but transition and quickness need work. He defends the front of the net well with his long reach. He needs to improve quickness and transition game to be considered a pro prospect”.
 
love it. that's plenty of points for a 2nd round pick dman, regardless of his size. but the size ia great too. this is where you look at a weber type comp.
 
LeafGm said:
I'm thrilled we didn't pay that price for Hamonic.

And I'll be interested to see if there are any conditions attached to that Calgary pick. Because, c'mon. Did Buke really just give away another lottery-unprotected future first round pick?
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Sounds like there ARE conditions so I guess lesson learned?
 
As for this big Finnish kid...I dunno.

Hunter seems to have a fetish for massive defenders outside of the first round. Andrew Nielsen, Stephen Desrocher, Keaton Middleton, Nicolas Mattinen...and now this kid. Hopefully he's more like Nielsen (who despite his offensive success, is still a big project himself) than the other guys, who appear to be wasted picks at this stage.
 
Yeah I'm guessing leafs tried to pawn off jvr instead of getting rid of a bunch of picks for Hamonic. Snow either said no or jvr said no (on an extension).
 
No protextion on the first. Burke is too stubborn to ever learn anything.


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LeafGm said:
As for this big Finnish kid...I dunno.

Hunter seems to have a fetish for massive defenders outside of the first round. Andrew Nielsen, Stephen Desrocher, Keaton Middleton, Nicolas Mattinen...and now this kid. Hopefully he's more like Nielsen (who despite his offensive success, is still a big project himself) than the other guys, who appear to be wasted picks at this stage.
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rasanen is far more productive than those guys were.
 
LeafGm said:
As for this big Finnish kid...I dunno.

Hunter seems to have a fetish for massive defenders outside of the first round. Andrew Nielsen, Stephen Desrocher, Keaton Middleton, Nicolas Mattinen...and now this kid. Hopefully he's more like Nielsen (who despite his offensive success, is still a big project himself) than the other guys, who appear to be wasted picks at this stage.
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*shrug* hard to really know what any of those guys really are yet...defensemen take so long to develop. Add size to the equation and that extends the window even more. Gotta believe our developmental systems turns them into players. Only Nielsen played with the Marlies last year. Everyone else was still in Jr.
 
draft year production

Rasanen (17): 8gls/49pts pace
Nielsen (18): 10gls/33pts
Mattinen (17): 8gls/21pts
Middletoj (17): 1gls/9pts

and desrochers was a full 19yrs old in his draft season and not due to a late birthday, and put up a 55pt pace.
 
rasanen's production is more along the lines of where dermott/percy were (actually better than either as a 17yr old), except rasanen is a monster.
 
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