LeafOfFaith
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There’s a player named Tankathon?? Count me in on the name alone!
2018 NHL Draft Thread
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MindzEye
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Mirtle seems to have a semi disguised mancrush on Dubas, but Dubas has gone out of his way to name and shame Mirtle in his non traditional media appearances (He chirps Mirtle during his semi famous analytics conference presentation for example) in the past, so I think it's unrequited love.
With that said, of the Toronto Sports Media, if anyone was going to get 5 minutes of Dubas time everyone once in a while, it would likely be Mirtle.
uncus
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Hello everyone again lol
Just thought i would spew some leaf ideas now that the humidity of summer has begun.
I think one of the things that the leafs have learned from this past season was that in my opinion they have allowed 3 good possible returns to walk for nothing .... jvr bozak and komarov to because they perceived owed it to the team and the fans.
It can be argued that the return for those 3 players may have been 2 first rounders (bozak may have gotten them a first from another team) 2 seconds and maybe a third or 4th. ( jvr - first and second at least, bozak a first and komarov maybe a second maybe a third).
The reason i am making this observation is because gardiner will be looking for a new contract next season. So do the leafs go into the season with him and his penchant for making boneheaded moves but still an above average point producing defensman and seriously look at giving him another contract which will be more than 6 million a season, or do they trade him this off season to get some type of return for him.
From their limited past dealings (owing it to the team and the fans to not trade a piece that may help us even though he will walk) should they trade him this off season? And what do you think the return would be for him.
Personally i think with detroit probably losing green, he might be something they would be very interested in.
Also, i think that the leafs could get detroits first round selection this year (6th overall) plus something else as the return.
I know everyone will say about the leafs need for defenceman and now is not the time to be shipping one out. But this is possibly a guy who will end up leaving for nothing at the end of this season cause he certainly isnt worth the money he will get as a free agent.
Just a thought .... and no, i havent gotten to much sun lol
Have a great summer everyone.
Just thought i would spew some leaf ideas now that the humidity of summer has begun.
I think one of the things that the leafs have learned from this past season was that in my opinion they have allowed 3 good possible returns to walk for nothing .... jvr bozak and komarov to because they perceived owed it to the team and the fans.
It can be argued that the return for those 3 players may have been 2 first rounders (bozak may have gotten them a first from another team) 2 seconds and maybe a third or 4th. ( jvr - first and second at least, bozak a first and komarov maybe a second maybe a third).
The reason i am making this observation is because gardiner will be looking for a new contract next season. So do the leafs go into the season with him and his penchant for making boneheaded moves but still an above average point producing defensman and seriously look at giving him another contract which will be more than 6 million a season, or do they trade him this off season to get some type of return for him.
From their limited past dealings (owing it to the team and the fans to not trade a piece that may help us even though he will walk) should they trade him this off season? And what do you think the return would be for him.
Personally i think with detroit probably losing green, he might be something they would be very interested in.
Also, i think that the leafs could get detroits first round selection this year (6th overall) plus something else as the return.
I know everyone will say about the leafs need for defenceman and now is not the time to be shipping one out. But this is possibly a guy who will end up leaving for nothing at the end of this season cause he certainly isnt worth the money he will get as a free agent.
Just a thought .... and no, i havent gotten to much sun lol
Have a great summer everyone.
Wayward DP
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I think Gardiner may be traded on the draft floor. And I would be very okay with that. I don't think he's worth Detroit's pick, but who knows, Holland may be desperate for help now.
I also heard that Green is likely to resign in Detroit, FWIW.
I also heard that Green is likely to resign in Detroit, FWIW.
Wayward DP
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I wouldn't take it as any more than a rumour. Don't remember the source, but recall reading it.
leafman101
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I get the argument that it is better asset management to trade rentals rather than let them walk for nothing. But this team is in a different stage of development than they have been. The can win next year. And they have $30 million worth of cap space. I am more concerned about taking advantage of Matthews/Marner/Dermott ELC's rather than stockpiling more future assets. They should add more rentals IMO. Use that cap space to ice the best team we can now, because this isn't a rebuilding team anymore.
Unless you get some crazy offer for Gardiner, like the #6 pick, I would keep him.
Unless you get some crazy offer for Gardiner, like the #6 pick, I would keep him.
Wayward DP
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I'd like to see us take on expiring contracts for overpaid but still useful players from team's that need cap space.
MindzEye
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Failing that, guys who are done that the team would love to get out of the cap hit/salary on. Spezza, Orpik, Bolland, Pominville, Lehtera, etc and a solid asset for taking the cap hit. Detroit gave up the pick that turned into Chychrun a couple of years ago, and I think that would/should still be the market value of that kind of dead cap space.
I'm still really, really intrigued by the Gudas + Lehtera for a ham sandwich idea one of the Athletic writers had a couple of weeks ago. I prefer that approach to even bothering with someone useful that the other team will want to extract a price for.
Some ideas?
Spezza & Honka
Bolland & Hjalmarsson (Zona is apparently trying to extend OEL and cash saved is cash saved)
Lehtera & Gudas
You guys have the assets to get a legit much needed top 3 D man .
Peg can`t pay both Trouba and Myers . Is Carolina enamored paying Hannifan this summer ?
I would think Minny would be in sell mode and move a blueliner .
I expect a flurry of activity this summer and draft night
CaptainBolduke
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Pacioretty and the Habs 3rd overall for Gardiner and some guy i've never heard of.
Wayward DP
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Myers is not a top 3 d man. He would be a passable Polak replacement (probably a Polak upgrade), but not sure I want him near the top-4. Definitely not top pair.
Hanifin... I'm with zeke on that one. He's #4 on my list of desired Canes top-4 defenders, after Pesce, Slavin, and Faulk.
Wayward DP
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I would do that in a heartbeat, pending the 'guy you've never heard of' (basically not Timmy. hell even if it is Timmy, worth considering). But I don't think Bergevin would.
ouch ...
Wayward DP
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I'd be okay with this approach too. I just want us to take advantage of our cap space. In my scenario, I think any team that we are helping get out of cap trouble would have to necessarily take a hit on their expected return, but who knows what the market is.
Myers is >>>> than Polak easily top 4 on any team
Wayward DP
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he wasn't even top 4 on the Jets
worm
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he was 3rd in ice time for Dmen
MindzEye
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I want no part of paying Myers. I want no part of paying what any sane GM would want in return for a recent top 5 pick who is already a decent regular.
But neither are top 3 defenders
They won't be moving anything we want. Another LHD doesn't do us much good unless Gardiner goes in the deal for an upgrade on Gardiner. We get buried on the right side of the ice, and anyone who can play on the right side (to replace Polak and/or push Zaitsev and Hainsey down the roster) should be the focus.
Gudas would be an excellent add there and do just that. He's basically Polak if Polak was meaner than a snake and could move the puck competently.
and before "the Leafs need a stud". Neither team in the Stanley Cup finals has a stud (I keep being told that Carlson isn't one, which if Rielly isn't one either then I absolutely agree). The Cup winning team last year didn't have a stud, neither did the team they beat (Burns is pretty lost in his own end). By my count there are about 6-8 in the league and most of them either missed the playoffs or got thumped in the 1st round.
Just worry about building the best 6 you can in the most cost effective way possible. Gudas-Zaitsev-Hainsey wouldn't be ideal, but as long as Babcock didn't run Hainsey into the ground again (no reason to with a very good PK'er and solid defender like Gudas in house) and Zaitsev looked more like rookie Zaitsev than whatever the **** that was last year, we'd be much improved on that side. I hope we find a Gardiner upgrade but I doubt Dubas goes that route, even then Rielly-Gardiner-Dermott is damn close to as good a left side as you're going to find in the league.