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2018 NHL Draft Thread

45pts in 51gms is no joke. only Rielly really can match that before the draft of leafs dman picks I can remember.

hopefully his skating is plus at the nhl level.

Yep.

Dermott was an older birthday at the draft (4 months older) and had put up a .74ppg in his pre draft season. Sandin put up .88 this season. Drawing a lot of comparisons to Dermott, but he was a fair step better offensively than Dermott at the same age.
 
and according to what dubas just said, he wasn't getting top unit PP time either.

dubas also mentioned him playing "tough minutes" in the playoffs which made me fall in love with dubey just a little bit more.

Think Dubas has identified that usage is the current market inefficiency of the analytics community?
 
dermotty much bigger though, and arguably a better skter too.

maybe it's just not a good comp.
 
Think Dubas has identified that usage is the current market inefficiency of the analytics community?

it seems to jump off the screen to me. i think it's very real but i don't have the proof. he might have it though.
 
dermotty much bigger though, and arguably a better skter too.

maybe it's just not a good comp.

Dermott was 5'11 197 at the draft combine, Sandin 5'11 186

Bigger sure. Much bigger though? Nah. Dermott is 208 now though apparently. Sandin probably hits 5'11 200ish by the time he's league ready.
 
it seems to jump off the screen to me. i think it's very real but i don't have the proof. he might have it though.

One of two possibilities there if that's correct. 1) He, like you, assumes it to be correct without needing the math. It just makes ****ing sense that usage is important. or 2) He has a full time department of actual mathematicians and statisticians and he's been in charge of that department for 4 years now. He's probably had those nerds re work the numbers in a bunch of both intuitive and novel ways, he just seems driven to try to think differently.
 
Dermott is the next Leaf Tim Horton. This guy might have a two or three pack, Dermott, like Horton, might the most ripped guy in the NHL. Nice pick, I think he will play in the NHl, but Dermott is going to wow. My opinion. I liked St. Louis selection, but he was a forward. Dubas stocking up with a dman is definitely a good thing.

Dubas' walk to the podium was next to Lou's last year, the best walk to the podium I have ever seen. Armani combined with geek, combined with purpose. Great walk.

I wish he could have found a partner willing to part with a second though. But I am sure he tried. I like this Dubas. he built the Marlies, no reason why he cannot build a winner here.
 
wouldn't be hard to test.

but it does i think need the jump away from using opponent's possession (in any form) as the proxy for Qualcomp, which isn't a sure bet no matter how many nerds you have crunching the data.
 
Dermott is the next Leaf Tim Horton. This guy might have a two or three pack, Dermott, like Horton, might the most ripped guy in the NHL. Nice pick, I think he will play in the NHl, but Dermott is going to wow. My opinion. I liked St. Louis selection, but he was a forward. Dubas stocking up with a dman is definitely a good thing.

Dubas' walk to the podium was next to Lou's last year, the best walk to the podium I have ever seen. Armani combined with geek, combined with purpose. Great walk.

I wish he could have found a partner willing to part with a second though. But I am sure he tried. I like this Dubas. he built the Marlies, no reason why he cannot build a winner here.

heh.

I agree with literally every sentence of this post.
 
wouldn't be hard to test.

but it does i think need the jump away from using opponent's possession (in any form) as the proxy for Qualcomp, which isn't a sure bet no matter how many nerds you have crunching the data.

I'm not a mathemagician, but I imagine you could weight certain aspects of possession to generate a superior (if still not perfect) metric. You don't need a perfect measure of QualComp to identify it as important and create a system to generate data to help exploit that inefficiency, just an improved one.
 
Thanks Zeke. I think this Dubas is going to be brilliant for us. I think players really like him. Respect him. I think this guy really knows his shit. I really though, suspect, he would work really well with a guy like Keefe. I don't think Babs gets the boot too soon, but if things don't go smooth, I don't think Dubas wants to lose Keefe.

I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but it really looks like Dubas is the rock star, now. Babcock, with his hokey dokey schtick and poor clothing is really taking a back seat to Dubas now. Leafs put a ton of money into Babcock, so they probably let him keep going for a while, but I see a changing of the guard.

Dubas reminds me so much of my ole best friend Stellick, but unlike Stellick, far, far more advanced and experienced. And less contsricted. Same thatch of thick Brian Burke like porcupine hair though.

I think this is actually the start of the new deal, the new era of the Leafs. Lou, was sort of a weird, safe move by Shanahan, this is bold, this is Armani.

I enjoyed this first round of the NHL draft immensely, Burke was a great add, he seems to have regained part of his mind and his hair was only part shocking. He was glib and entertaining. That woman who interviewed the draft picks, did well, she didn't annoy, and sorta hot at same time.
 
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Dermott is a good comparison in terms of upside, but they are different. I think Sandin is more talented offensively. His production this year was actually really impressive.

PPG Age 17 Since 2005-06 (OHL)
1. Ellis - 1.56
2. Murphy - 1.25
3. Doughty - 1.10
4. Vande Sompel - 1.09
5. Merkley - 1.06
6. Bogosian - 1.02
7. Del Zotto - 0.98
8. DeAngelo - 0.94
9. De Haan - 0.93
10. Ekblad - 0.91
11. Pietrangelo - 0.88
11. Sandin - 0.88
13. Dineen - 0.87
14. Hamilton - 0.87
15. Sergacheyov - 0.85
16. Subban - 0.82


There is a lot of good defensmen on that list. The biggest knock on him has been his size/strength. Otherwise he is widely considered a very smart, skilled, playmaking defenseman. He's a very good skater. And he competes hard defensively, which is all you can really ask for at 17.

I don't think he has #1 dman upside. But he definitely looks like a good bet to be a top 4.

High skill, high hockey IQ. Thats the Dubas player. I suspect thats why he passed on a player like Veleno.
 
From the Hockey Prospects Black Book:

Sandin is a smart well rounded defender with good mobility. He shows good possession skills where he confidently handles the puck and makes strong decisions. He’s a capable puck carrier with good foot-work, its his ability to see the ice and lead transition with an great first pass that allows him to thrive. Rasmus possesses excellent edge work and can effortlessly elude an opponent showing poise and strong foot-work. He does however need to improve his first step as it is one of the more average traits to his game.

Offensively Sandin acts as a distributor in the offensive zone, however he will often utilize his feet to walk the line and open shooting lanes, changing the velocity and angle of his shot appropriately to get pucks on net. He makes good reads away from the puck, showing aggressive pinches to extend zone time when needed and sneaking in from his point position to create offensive opportunities.

Defensively Sandin excels as a stick-on-puck defender, using his mobility and smarts to excel. He keeps strong gaps and is able to keep the play in front of him due to his skating. Rasmus angles the opponent to the outside well and shows deceptive strength in his ability to stand up an opponent and separate player from puck. In the defensive zone he shows an ability to contain.

Sandin is not a huge kid but he’s not shy to battle and play a physical game. Our biggest concern is the amount of hits he sustains while playing the position. We noticed this even more down the stretch.

"He’s one of the smartest draft eligibles in the OHL this year ...great puck mover too.” NHL Scout, November 2017

“He’s a tough one to evaluate, I think a team needs a plan for him if they are going to pull the trigger early in the draft.” NHL Scout, May 2018

“One thing I like is he isn’t afraid. He’ll turnover pucks sometimes when he’s pressured but he’s not soft. The kid will go where he needs to go and he get’s involved.” - NHL Scout May 2018

“My biggest concern is injury. He isn’t big and he really struggles to avoid contact. It’s such an underrated facet for defenseman. “ - NHL Scout, May 2018

“Love his smarts and his puck moving ability, he’s a great player. My only issue is one shared by several scouts I spoke to about Rasmus...he gets hit a lot and he’s not a big player.The old saying...the biggest ability is availability. It’s the only reason I dropped Robby Fabbri slightly back in his draft year, he got hit hard a lot in my viewings and so did Sandin. ” - HP Scout, Mark Edwards

“For development reasons, some NHL teams will be curious as to where he plans to play next season when factoring that into their draft day decision. Feedback I got from some scouts seemed to be a little bit all over the place.” - HP Scout, Mark Edwards
 
I'll preface this by saying that I know zilch about any of this year's prospects.

But from what I'm reading about Sandin so far, I like the pick. It was also reported before the Leafs traded down that Sandin was their guy at #25, so pretty sweet to end up with their guy plus a free 3rd rounder.
 
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